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think of glorfindel's prophecy about the witch-king/lord of the nazgul that he couldn't be slain by mortal men and eowyn (female) and merry (hobbit) did it didn't say elves dwarves males that would be like french latinos and males not balanced
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About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 11-19-2001 at 08:57 PM. |
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11-20-2001, 04:58 AM | #22 |
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If you think about the role of Women in Tolkien's work they're just as important as men, if not more. Galadriel is much more powerful and understanding than Celeborn, Eowyn is a great warrior etc. Why shouldn't one of the ringwraiths have been female?
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11-20-2001, 01:39 PM | #23 |
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lelondol's just upset because the swans have migrated. Don't let him bother you.
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12-19-2001, 05:07 AM | #24 |
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Coming back to the question of Nazgul definitions, in book 2 Gandalf says to Pippin "It is a winged black rider, a nazgul." This would suggest that the two are like stages in the 'life cycle' of the ringwraiths. Radagast calls them nazgul but then says that they have taken the guise of riders in black, suggesting they do not normally adopt this form. A 'black rider' on horseback is a more suitable form for a ringwraith to take for hunting 'inconspicuously' whereas a winged Nazgul is more suited to the war.
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12-19-2001, 06:09 PM | #25 |
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Lelondul my friend, look at one of those other Ring lines: 'Three Rings for the Elven Kings under the sky'. But who got the Rings? Gil-galad, who gave his to Elrond, CÃ*rdan who gave his to Gandalf and Galadriel. Of all these Gil-galad is the only King, Gandalf is not Elven and Galadriel is not even male. So I guess there still could be a female Ringwraith, thought I highly doubt it.
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12-19-2001, 09:49 PM | #26 |
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Nine for mortel men doomed to die.
The Nazgul were the Ring Bearers of the nine rings made by man. I assume all the ring bearers were men because in medieval times Kings were mostly more powerful the Queens. The nine ring bearers were captured and turned into the Ring-Wraiths, their ideal job to locate the One Ring. I hope that was of help, if you found it pointless and not helpful, that's just too bad.
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12-20-2001, 09:55 PM | #28 |
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Cirdan was an elf lord, but not nescessarily a King per se. He ruled the Falas of Beleriand durnint the First Age.
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12-20-2001, 09:59 PM | #29 |
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He was also of Elwe's kin, though we're never told the nature of the kinship.
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12-20-2001, 10:27 PM | #30 |
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That must be why I couldn't remember what it was.
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12-21-2001, 12:50 PM | #31 |
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remember that man/men means HUMANS not males here
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12-22-2001, 05:48 PM | #32 |
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Yes, although you ought tobe careful about using it that way today.
unless you're an accomplished flamer like me. ]: )
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