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02-22-2005, 08:10 AM | #2 |
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An obvious Lotr copy-cat is Book 1 of The Wheel of Time for the following reasons:
-The whole sleepy, insulated village motif -A stranger coming to the village to sweep the heroes off their feet -Nazgul/ Myrddraal -For those of you conspiracy theorists out there: Merry and Pippin / Mat and Perrin |
02-22-2005, 12:11 PM | #3 |
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Yeah, when thinking about it, I've come across more things from Lotr and Tolkien in the WoT books, though I don't remember them now. But I suppose, you can't read a book like that and then write a in some ways similar book, without taking abit from Tolkien.
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03-23-2005, 03:37 PM | #4 |
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Yip, totally agree. I have also seen some striking resemblenses in the to and can unfortunately not think of any at the moment but I remember something about a few names on the map that bothered me.
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"Oz" was published in 1900
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01-07-2008, 09:39 AM | #6 |
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Even the 1939 movie (which made the Muchkins small people, which they were not in the liturature) predated the the publication of LoTR, and the screen play was largely written before the Hobbit was released.
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06-02-2010, 01:27 PM | #7 |
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People have probably already said this, but POTTER.
I mean, Voldemorts massive cave-lake thing? Moria. The Dark Lord? THE DARK LORD. Dementors? Black Riders. Dumbledore? Gandalf. Harry's scar "getting heavier when the enemy is near"? THE RING. Harry's sidekicks? Frodo's sidekicks. Need I say more? |
06-11-2010, 06:24 PM | #8 |
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i did notice that in some of them. Particularly the dementors and the Nazgul - the dementors in the book were described as looking EXACTLY the way Peter Jackson had the Nazgul looking, if only de-cartoonified.
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08-11-2010, 10:52 PM | #9 |
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I don't want to call anyone a copycat as we all build our own ideas on the ideas that came before us. I prefer to think of this thread as a place to identify similar themes...
That said, I do note that there are some notable similarities between Gurthang and Stormbringer (A cursed black sword wielded by an antihero, Elric of Melniboné, in several Micheal Moorcock books). Stormbringer ends up killing everyone close to Elric. There are many more similarities which I won't go in to here. The weird part is that Moorcock was certainly not out to copy JRR as the first novel with Stormbringer in it was published in 1963. The Silmarillion was released in 1977. I don't believe Tolkien copied Moorcock either. Ultimately, I believe both authors took their inspiration (directly or indirectly) from an old Finnish tale (Kullervo).
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I am unfamiliar with the Kullervo tale (the Kalevala is on my to-read-list), but I am fairly convinced that Tolkien modelled Gurthang on Tyrfing, the cursed sword central in the Hervarar saga. Interestingly enough the saga also includes a shieldmaiden.
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08-12-2010, 08:36 AM | #11 |
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Hi Eärniel,
Kullervo is a character in Kalevala whose situation closely parallels Turin's (accidental incestuous relationships, a sword that agrees to take it's wielder's life, the sister throwing herself into a gorge/river...) Tryfing is certainly a possible source as well.
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(hello, everyone! I'm sorry to have missed most of this debate-I was traveling through Italy for a couple weeks and internet was scarce )
So, we've taken a specific thought and made it general, and the main question now is, "are fictional stories really copycats of each other?" (correct me if I'm reading completely outside the lines) As I've written about in numerous essays, I think fiction is so well-liked because it reflects reality, without being real. It illustrates the rights and wrongs of our world by putting them in a different light: when we step into someone else's shoes what we originally saw ends up looking much different. The differentiating element in fictional stories is what specific idea, problem, etc. the story is illustrating. On the other hand, they all seem to be copycatting each other because they are all "copycatting" the same thing. There is such a place as hell ruled by Satan, and fictional stories reflect hell in their own way...Harry Potter has the huge cave-like structure controlled by Voldemort, LotR has Moria ruled by Sauron. In this way, HP isn't copycatting LotR-and the same applies to most other examples.
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