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01-26-2005, 03:28 PM | #21 | ||
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"Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords Last edited by BeardofPants : 01-26-2005 at 03:34 PM. |
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01-26-2005, 04:57 PM | #22 | |
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You can see throughout Tolkien's works the effect that evil has on the land... Every time they burn some orcs or a monster it leaves a dead spot. (conversely, the green mound in Anfauglith where the Noldor were piled after the battle of unumbered tears). The land of Mordor itself is another example. The dead marshes. Gorogoroth. The vales of Morgul. Probably due to his trench experience. There are still places in France that are "blighted" because of the shelling and chemicals used there in WWI... The really interesting exception is Dul Goldor... I guess Greenwood the great was too fecund to be completely blasted... but it's hard to say which is worse, twisted and malformed, or dead and blighted...
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I have harnessed the shadows that stride from world to world to sow death and madness... Queer haow a cravin' gits a holt on ye -- As ye love the Almighty, young man, don't tell nobody, but I swar ter Gawd thet picter begun ta make me hungry fer victuals I couldn't raise nor buy -- here, set still, what's ailin' ye? ... Last edited by Blackheart : 01-26-2005 at 04:59 PM. |
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01-26-2005, 05:07 PM | #23 | |
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I thought about something, but I reasoned out writing it how stupid it was. I suppose you are right, BoP. He was just wary, and with all the other things, maybe he just didn't think about it, and did hide.
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01-26-2005, 05:16 PM | #24 | ||||
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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01-27-2005, 05:31 PM | #25 | |
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Of the Fellowship, only Gandalf had had face-to-beak meetings and contact with the Eagles, and Gandalf happened to be the one the Fellowship was lacking at the time. Perhaps if he had been with them, he would have said something along the line of the improbability of an Eagle being in league with Sauron.
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01-28-2005, 02:50 PM | #26 |
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I find it highly unlikely that Aragorn would think the eagle, itself, was a danger to the Fellowship. Rather, given their location (not to mention Gollum and the circling birds), he saw the eagle as a sign of some danger that was to come. Seeing an eagle there was significant (cf. Legolas : "It's an eagle....I wonder what that forbodes. It is far from the mountains.") and seeing it probably confirmed Aragorn's decision to travel by night.
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01-31-2005, 03:18 PM | #27 | |
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So I would say that there were more than two powers at work there |
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01-31-2005, 03:31 PM | #28 | |
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I think Sam's sentiments towards Frodo are clear. The way Sam holds Frodo's hand (both at Elrond's and when the finger is bitten off). Most revealing the moment when Shelob stings Frodo and JRR Tolkien comments that never in nature it is seen a fury more terrible than the one of a small creature with little teeths protecting the body of its fallen mate. Also the fact that Frodo had to leave from Gray Haven for Sam to be whole with Rosie. I think the only thing that kept the relationship on a Platonic dimension is that Frodo did not reciprocate Sam quite in the same way. Frodo also grew to be fond of Sam but never quite as deeply |
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01-31-2005, 05:34 PM | #29 |
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Ever examined the relationship between a british officer and his "batman"? You'll find an ideal model for Sam and Frodo's reationship.
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01-31-2005, 05:38 PM | #30 | |
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02-05-2005, 07:44 AM | #31 |
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I recall that being mentioned somewhere as well - I think in an interview with some Tolkien "experts".
I see Sam's relationship with Frodo being based on a fierce loyalty. Sam sees his particular role as him being responsible for every aspect of Frodo's welfare - physical, emotional, mental and spiritual. I think it is also significant to Sam that Gandalf appointed him to this task, no less than he appointed Frodo to carry the Ring.
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