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05-21-2005, 02:54 PM | #22 |
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Did anyone else notice the part at the end where Qui-Gon was said to have defeated immortality, and that Yoda would teach Obi-Wan to communicate with him? It's a while since I watched the Original Trilogy, but I can't remember anything about that. Is there?
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Saw it earlier than I at first intended (but that's what you get when one of your friends in a fan and dying to go and see it soon and his girlfriend is not). I had lowered my expectations considerably after AoTC but RoTS managed to impress me. I liked it, I liked it a lot.
I liked it how they immediately dumped you in the middle of a space battle. Very impressive. Grievous was interesting, I liked the way he moved. And somehow I found the notion of a 'cowardly' but not weak enemy (because he was always getting away) refreshing. He had nifty eyes too. Palpatine was a very good powerhungry and insane megalomaniac. Now his whole far-stretching strategy is finally revealed. Impressive too. Although at times his pushing of Anakin's buttons was a tad too obvious, IMO. With all his talking about those who have power not wanting to let go of it, I find it strange that Anakin never saw that Palpatine was no exception to that. But then again he never saw it about himself either. But I do wonder, how could Palpatine had known about Padmé and of Anakin's slaughter of the sand people on Tatooine? And Palpatine lightsaber skills got rid of those three excess jedi a little too easy and conventient when Mace Windu came to arrest him. Windu's demise was given considerable screen time but somehow left me a little unsatisfied. I sort of felt he would have handled the arrest differently if it hadn't been necesary for the script for him to die at that time. The subsequent turning-to-the-dark-side of Anakin equally seemed a bit too rushed. The execution of order 66 (why especially this number I wonder) was downright eerie. Those pesky clones came pre-programmed after all! And the way they accepted the new orders without hesitation was goose-bump material. The same with Anakin's killing of the younglings. Though they don't show none of the actual killing, Anakin mutely turning on his lightsaber as a response to the child's question what they are to do, was frightening enough. The 'softening' of Padmé from ep. I to ep. III didn't bother me and overall I think the acting was a lot better than in ep. II. Yet I hadn't expected Padmé to die so soon after birth. But I suppose Leia had been talking about her adoptive mother in RoTJ, then. Her last conversation with Anakin was gripping. Quite ironic and tragic that Anakin went to the verge of mass murder to save her, only to be the very cause of her death in the end. I don't think the movie was rushed, there was a lot of material to go through. I even thought they could have cut some of the fight sequences, although I quite liked the lightsaber fights and there were plenty of those. And I loved seeing more of Yoda, although I think they slightly overdid his 'rubber ball movements'. I liked how the ending of Owen and Beru, holding a little baby Luke, while looking at the two moons (or suns, I'm unsure) of Tatooine refers to the beginning of ep. 4 with a grown Luke looking at the same moons. I don't think I'll be rushing back to the cinema soon, but RoTS is a finale to the prequals that is ultimately worthy of the ep 4 to 6.
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Padme's change was certainly understandable. I liked Anikin's initial reaction to the news- it reminded me of another book I read where someone got pregnant in war time and the news brought fear rather than joy. Still, it was kinda lame. I think her character was just a little less interesting than, say, Anikin. That's my main concern. I'm being pretty harsh too.. Yes, I was watching the Special Edition. I know it's not as bad as before, but still, the technology gap was enough that I thought it was a little distracting. |
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05-21-2005, 04:54 PM | #25 |
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I don't think Anakin's reaction was due to the fact that they were at war. IMO he was more worried about the Jedi Council finding out that he and Padme were married and that he was the father.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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In the movie, palptatine says that Anakin told him about that. He knew about Padme, because that was what was in Anakin's mind. Remember how Vader learned of Luke's sister in RotJ? This is the same thing. ------------------ Quote:
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BTW there was a really good audience in my theatre. Nobody made noise at all except for a short bit of loud laughter after Yoda smashed those two Imerial guards into the wall, of which I totally approved.
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05-22-2005, 01:51 AM | #29 |
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Why the number 66?
Because it's close to 666, which has demonic ties to it--it's the number of the Beast. Lucas was trying to be overtly symbolic. |
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It was pretty funny when the droid gave Grievous . . . something . . . don't remember what it was . . . in the command center of the starship, Grievous took it, and in a miffed kind of way the droid walks off saying, "you're welcome." That was humorous . The droids definitely added some levity in the earlier parts of the movie.
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05-22-2005, 02:15 AM | #32 |
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To me 9/10ths of the dialogue was so aweful it completely threw me out of the moment. Don't get me wrong: he had a cast of brilliant actors, and all of them can really act VERY well (with the exception of Haden [anakin] whose acting skills are so-so).
The rest of it though... amazing. I was totally blown away by the fight scenes, which, in truth, are what Star Wars is all about . Lets be honest: the whole thing is a glorified B movie . Which isn't to say that I don't love it--I utterly embrace it with my whole heart and proudly call myself a total STAR WARS NERD, but lets be honest with ourselves . For me, Anakin's turning to the darkside was so... sudden. Anakin: "OMG! You are teh sithz!" Palp: "Yes, I am. Join me?" Anakin: "Nevah!" Palp: "Plz?" Anakin "Okay, okay... Heeeeey. I'll go kill some KIDS!" And the dialogue between Anakin and Padme was so, so forced. It drives me nuts because Natali Portman is such an amazing actress, but her lines feel so flat and hollow. Oh, and Mace Windu's death?... Gah. That was horrible. Can you say "Overacting"? BUT the dialogue between Anakin and Obi Wan when they were fighting was so powerful and amazing--THAT was truely brilliant. And Yoda vs. Sidious? *faints* HAH! I loved the part where Yoda walked into the room, and the two guards moved to attack him and he just slammed 'em both into the wall. PRICELESS!!! Everyone in the theater just burst out laughing . |
05-22-2005, 03:57 AM | #33 |
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Yeah, it was a glorified B-movie. But everyone knows it could have been so much more. And there's probably no possibility that the movies can be remade.
I dismissed the Padme-Anikin love scenes because that wasn't what the movie was about anyway. It seemed like they finally realized that and actually stopped trying so hard to make their relationship captivating, and the result was a ton of emotionally neutral cliches, which worked just as well as all their attempts at acting in ep.2. Did you also notice how everyone seemed to lose their unique style of fighting? I loved watching the Phantom Menace lightsaber battles because everyone fought so dramatically differently, and that was really cool. Then in ep.2 and even the Clone Wars that carried over a bit. Suddenly in ep.3 everyone is doing Tai Chi sword and pausing between each exaggerated and impractical overhead bash to pose in an exaggeratedly extended and wide-open stance. After a while that stops being badass, even for Mace Windu, who sort of fought like that in AotC and who you'd expect it from. Was there a new choreographer? Or any at all?
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05-22-2005, 02:40 PM | #34 |
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Well, I did think they over did Obi-Wan's style JUST a tad. On the other hand, Obi Wan was a cocky kind of a guy, and he would've taught that style to Anakin. What I thought was odd was how timid Obi Wan seemed in ep. 2 and now he's all cocky and overconfident again.
I agree though that the way Palpatin killed those three jedi masters was pathetic. One didn't even TRY to block, the other swung his saber up and then killed over, and the third blocked ONCE and then was stabbed through. I guess, on the other hand, they were caught in tight quarters. Did anyone else start giggling when Darth Vader did his little "Noooooooo!" at the end? That was so horrible. There was nothing behind it--it sounded ALMOST as if the actor was trying to be funny when he did it. And I think they could've cleared up R2-D2's lack of rockets easily enough--R2 charges Anakin when he has Padme in a Force Choke, and Anakin slices them off, at which point R2 lands bumpily and runs for it. Last edited by Tessar : 05-22-2005 at 02:41 PM. |
05-22-2005, 10:31 PM | #35 | |
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How Anakin inevitably gains this ability is a mystery, the only plausible explaination is that he always was one with the force. As Qui-Gon was informed in Episode I, Anakin had no father, the force bore Anakin. For Anakin, the life after death thing was almost inate... all that was required was that he allow himself to focus outward, not inward. Which in the end, he did.
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05-23-2005, 06:41 AM | #36 |
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Wonderful! Beautiful!
Spoiler: Hey anyone else see the Falcon! It's docking during a scene early in the movie below on a lower platform as the main characters are off-boarding from a shuttle....It's there, no kidding.
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I don't think that was the falcon itself--ships of the model were supposed to be common before the clone wars.
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05-24-2005, 05:32 PM | #38 |
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Well, I've seen it twice and decided it was time to visit the moot again.
I have to say, I was impressed with the number of questions it answered and I really enjoyed Obi-Wan. (Ewen Mcgregor? Is that how it's spelled?) Anyway, the best thing about this movie would have ot be Yoda, the lightsaber fights, the questions it answered, and the neat little things they put in there put didn't point and yell, "See this?! Remember it?" Like, the Death Star was under construction right under Obi-Wan's nose and Admiral Tarkin was there at the very end. There are still a couple of plot holes though, for instance, how many Leia Organia's are there that call "Old Ben" Obi-Wan? I'm convinced he simply has a bad memory. Can anyone tell me why Mace's lightsaber was purple? Ugh, my biggest comlaint about the movie was the cheesy acting. My dad actually had to nudge me the second time we had seen it because during the love scenes I kept saying, "Barf. Barf." It wasn't just the love scenes that were cheesy, Hadien is a fangirl pleaser and that was it. (I'm a 16 year old girl for any of you who care to wonder. So, when I say it then you know that this generation is not completely lost.) It was a little a disappionting that they weren't on Kashyyk longer too. When I heard Chewie was in this movie and saw the trailer with him in it I almost died of happiness. So, I suppose it's my own fault, I got my hopes up a bit too much for that one. Oh, I loved how Vader first used his throat crushing power on the woman he "loved". It was more like a psychotic obsession.
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As for the cheesy acting; Natalie Portman is an excellent actress and she did a great job with the script Lucas had given her. Lucas and Portman have both made statments regaurding the love sceans and both say the same general things; George isn't a love scean guy... he didn't write SW trying to make Romeo and Juliet, he wrote it for Vader! As for Hayden Christensen... he is a decent actor... he has a limited range of acting abilities but I feel he is a decent actor. His acting was much better in the film Life is a House. In closing, about the poor or overacting, that is how Lucas writes... it is not the actors it is the script! Lucas writes his current films the same way he did in the 70's so there is a campy 70's feel to them.
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Well, I apologize to the actors and I'll change my statement a bit: My biggest complaint is cheesy script.
I was just wondering about the purple lightsaber thing...I noticed no one else had one, they were either blue, green, or red and then this purple gets thrown into the mix. Ok, I reread that part of my post (the "Old Ben" part) and I didn't make my point very clear. In TESB at the veryvery end Obi-Wan says something to Yoda about not thinking that Luke would make it and everything would fail. Then Yoda says, "No, there is another." and Obi-Wan's reaction might as well have been, *gasp*"ReallY?! I never knew!" When in fact, he was present at the twins birth, he knew where both of them went and he doesn't remember Leia at all. On Tatooine everyone knows him as "Old Ben" but Leia calls him Obi-Wan and it doesn't seem to shake his memory of her at all...thus I came to the conclusion that he simply has a very bad memory.
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