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Well, if that thread gets reactivated it would be interesting to discuss how it affects people's views. It doesn't change my opinion on whether it was right to go to war, but it IS great news nonetheless.
Well done to the US troops who did it, and especially that they managed to bring him in alive to face justice. I hope they get all of the family members of his victims to queue up to kick him in the goolies. |
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However, he should stand trial. My step-father said it was a shame he wasn't killed in that hole he was living in, and I said, no... it would have been a shame had he been killed, justice is only served when all of what happened comes to light. |
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I also think it's important to have him on public display for all to see and hear - especially the Iraqis.
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I found the Iraq thread, but it was closed due to lack of civility towards the end. I don't want this thread to meet the same fate. Though we disagree, I respect you, and I do not take issue with you, but some of your ideas.
Since this thread is about the capture of Saddam Hussein, the desired conclusion of the Iraq war, I suppose my views on the events leading up to it are relevant. As with many controversial and complex issues, I have mixed feelings. I acknowledge that Hussein was a terrible dictator, and that less Iraqis died during the war then probably would have during the same period of his reign. Hussein needed to be removed from power and face justice. (Though not necessarily by getting kicked in the junk, as Gaffer would suggest. ) That being said, I don't agree with the way it was done. I would have supported a UN led attack, but unfortunately they are completely useless when it comes to enforcing anything. As a sidenote, I believe this is because no country is willing to comprimise their sovereignity to allow the UN to regulate some of their actions. This leads to the UN not having any real power. If all countries simultaneously (probably the only way this could be pulled off) acknowledged the authority of the UN as an international body, things might be a little different. Anyway, perhaps the end justifies the means, but I don't believe in war. A few countries attacking Iraq is a war, but a UN led attack would have been an attack against Saddam. I recognize the amazingly thin and blurry line here, but I feel that it should have been an international effort. I have no issue with the United States, but I do not trust Bush or his administration. Will he stick around to help Iraq rebuild properly? Saddam's capture was not the conclusion to this war. The installment of a stable government is, and that could take many years. I worry that Bush, and the next administration, will not see it through, leaving the door wide open for another dictator, and more suffering for the Iraqi people. Since I started this post, I have done dishes, and made and eaten a fried egg sandwich. I have had plenty of time to contemplate this very complicated issue. By the way JD, how did you feel about the whole "freedom fries" incident? If I was american, I would have been embarassed.
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I would rather not get this into a debate thread - but I will answer these since you asked.
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So was I embarrassed - nope. The "Freedom Fries" thing was first started in a small restaurant or diner in the south.
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Alright, I won't debate it here. In the end, I don't disagree with you that much anyway. (The Freedom Fries thing isn't really that important, though I don't think people of any nationality should retaliate like that.)
I was going to make a couple off-topic comments about why I don't trust Bush, and the rebuilding of Iraq, but I will start another thread for that.
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My gut reaction was to at least suspect fraud on the part of our dear Shrub. Since I have changed my mind. If they wanted to lie, they would just drop a bomb somewhere and claim he was under it, not bother to get a double to play the part.
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We're not like the Soviet Union. They did something similar with Hitler during World War II. But instead they destroyed his body and claimed they didn't find him.
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Hitler commited suicide.
Capturing Hussein alive is definitely the best result. There can be a proper trial and some resolution.
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I'm wondering if a trial by his own people wouldn't be the best for all. No one in America wants the US involved at all. It would appear to the world like tampering with justice. |
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Saddam's capture is on the news right now. He was hiding in a tiny bunker under a barn south of Tikrit. He was across the river from one of his lavish palaces.
There wasn't too much celebrating in the streets. Some people were excited, others dismayed.
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well, i'm glad he came down in such a humiliating fashion. and that he didnt try to escape or commit suicide...
lets those hussein supporters see he is a coward, and nothing more.
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I just want to say: hurrah! I hope this is a time when all can put aside their feelings on US policy and celebrate over the capture of Saddam Hussein.
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