The Real King of England.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by HOBBIT
Hopefully no comments to those

Too tried right now - I'll get back to you with any comments.

[Earniel]

I'm sure that nearly every monarchy in Europe has at least some guy that claims he's the true heir to the throne and the rest are all usurpers. I know of at least one case where somebody claims that he's the rightfull king of Belgium. He was missing a few screws, though.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Eärniel
I'm sure that nearly every monarchy in Europe has at least some guy that claims he's the true heir to the throne and the rest are all usurpers. I know of at least one case where somebody claims that he's the rightfull king of Belgium. He was missing a few screws, though.

Yeah - look at Tsarevich Alexei the son of the last Tsar of Russia - Tsar Nicholas II.

Tsarevich Alexei
Lenin's Greatest Secret


Alexei Nicolaievich Romanov, Sovereign Heir, Tsarevich, and Grand Duke of Russia was not a haemophiliac and he did not die at the execution of his family on the 17th of July 1918. The son of Tsar Nicholas II was a sufferer of either Aplastic Anemia or Leukemia, which went into remission and lay dormant during his adult years until it returned to take his life in a Vancouver area hospital bed on the 26th of June 1977. The house in Ekaterinburg where the Bolshevik murders took place was demolished on orders from Moscow exactly one month later.

ALEXEI'S SURVIVAL FIFTY-NINE YEARS EARLIER DID NOT HAPPEN BY ACCIDENT. The two shots that execution squad commander Yakov Yurovsky had fired at the Prince's right ear twenty-six days before his fourteenth birthday were blanks.

The survival of the Crown Prince of Russia may have been assured by a hand shake agreement during the negotiations that produced the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk. It was Kaiser Wilhelm's wish, Lenin owed the Germans a favour, and it may have resulted because the Kaiser's Field Marshall Paul von Beneckendorff und von Hindenburg had been asked for help by the Tsar's Grand Marshall Count Paul Benckendorff. Following the execution the Tsarevich was placed in the care of another member of the Benckendorff family and was taken out of Russia to Estonia one full year after the armistice that ended Russia's revolution.

While it may very well be that in these pages I have been skating on ice that is a little thin in places, I do not think that any cracks which might be showing will cause me to fall right through into the freezing waters that lie beneath. I do admit, however, that the footing is a little slippery.

I hope that I have done my best not to create any wild theories. My intention all along has only been to raise some new questions about the evidence that already exists. I invite the historians and experts who have much more knowledge and access to better information than I have to determine whether my questions are valid and if there are any new answers. The questions that I have raised may not be right on the target, but I am certain they will bring us much closer to the truth.

After all of the research work that I have done on this project, I am sure of one thing: To say that the Tsarevich Alexei did not survive that last fateful night in the House of Special Purpose is preposterous!

It is has also been felt that Anastasia survived the murder of her family. There have been several people claiming to be either Alexei or Anastasia. Although it would be nice to think that either of them might have survived - I do not think so. Alexei was 14 when he was murdered by Lenin.

[Radagast]

Originally posted by jerseydevil

Today's royal family is the Hanoverian line. George I was a german prince who took up the throne of England - him and George II didn't even speak english (or at least George II didn't very well). If someone felt they had a right to the throne - they could have gone to war over it like England has been forced into for centuries, such as during the War of the Roses.

Yes it was very comic actually. George I flat out refused to learn English and made his ministers learn German. He was hated by his son, George II, who was, in turn, hated by his son, Frederick, Prince of Wales (who never lived to see his father's death) and was hated by Frederick's son, George III.

[Millane]

hahahaha i watched it on the news tonight quite amusing i must say... Radagast or jerseydevil you both seem to know your way through the English Monarchy so could either tell me if it is possible for this bloke (who lives quite close over in Jerilderie) to take back his rightful throne hahahaha i think it's funny, they were interviewing him and he is just another aussie (even though he came over from england) living in a small town (though quite famous thanks to Ned Kelly). some hick in the background said "sorry do i have to bow" and he said "not on the weekend"
hahhaha what a deadshit

[jerseydevil]

Sorry Millane - I don't think you will see him at Buckingham palace anytime soon. He couldn't gain the crown without civil war in England and I don't think enough people in England would back him anyway.

According to the articles Hobbit posted - Edward IV is supposed to be the offspring of a french archer who his mother had an affair with. So he wasn't the result of the king having an affair, but the queen.

Katherine Kurtz new book - In the King's Service starts out almost under this scenario - except it's the king who produces the illegimate son.

[Millane]

he said he didnt want it anyway hahaha
but the interviewer made it sound as if it was as simple as him giving the word and next thing you know he would be king and the Queen would just be another bum on the street...
he has a few title that he keeps quiet and his reason for this is "its embarrassing enough being a pom without all these titles"

[Finrod Felagund]

Originally posted by Radagast
England has a Queen, Nurvingiel, but Charles will become King upon her death.

Or will they skip him and William becme king?

[Valandil]

Doubtful... other kings have had their warts. And who knows what William will be like anyway... will he have 'skeletons in his own closet' so to speak?

[Ruinel]

Originally posted by Eärniel
I'm sure that nearly every monarchy in Europe has at least some guy that claims he's the true heir to the throne and the rest are all usurpers. I know of at least one case where somebody claims that he's the rightfull king of Belgium. He was missing a few screws, though.

A bit like SGH claiming she's the "Queen of Nargothrond" and Finrod's love... but hey... I think it best that we humor her.

[Radagast]

Originally posted by Finrod Felagund
Or will they skip him and William becme king?

Unless he specifically says he doesn't want it- he is impossible to skip.

[Valandil]

Originally posted by Ruinel
A bit like SGH claiming she's the "Queen of Nargothrond" and Finrod's love... but hey... I think it best that we humor her.

Yes... it's shaping up to be an epic day here at the 'moot!

[sun-star]

This was a really funny programme. I liked the way Tony Robinson made it sound like he had discovered all this stuff and was changing the course of British history, and then admitted for about a second that it was actually this historian who'd found it out years ago .

I also like the idea of having Princess Mandy and Prince Zack

Originally posted by Finrod Felagund
Or will they skip him and William becme king?

No - Charles will be a good king.

[Elvedans]

Originally posted by Nurvingiel
Well, the President of the United states is at least as powerful as a Senator I'm sure. Our Prime Minister is powerful.

Anyway...

Elvedans, why is this guy the real king according to the tv show? Why would everyone from Henry VII on be illegitimate?

Well a load of historians worked out that Edward the somethingth couldn't possibly be legitimate because of the long period of time his 'father' was away. Henry the seventh's claim to the throne came from a dodgy line so he tried to legitimise it by marrying Elizabeth of york, but cozher dad edward wasn't legitmate this claim wasn't legitimate either. Therefore the younger brother's line were rightful monarchs. That is how we know - by tracing the line of the younger bro.

[Nurvingiel]

Thanks for answering my question HOBBIT.

Maybe King Edward IV's claim was illegitemate, but I think Elizabeth II's is fine. I mean, isn't there an expiry date on such claims? What about monarchs who became rulers through war? This title is one you can take.

Mr. Abner-Hastings doesn't seem to care much anyway. Seems like a cool guy.

[cassiopeia]

I saw this on the news last night as well. Imagine: the real king of England living in one of the colonies. The scandal! Michael Abney-Hastings said he didn't want to be king, so the Queen needn't be worried. And he said he voted for a Republic when Australia held a referendum a few years ago.

[Radagast]

Originally posted by cassiopeia
And he said he voted for a Republic when Australia held a referendum a few years ago.

THE TRAITOR!

[GrayMouser]

Hey! What about the Stuarts ?

Bonnie Prince Charlie and the '45!

Or as a piece of doggerel at the time had it:

"God bless the King!
I mean the True Faith's Defender;
God bless (no harm in blessing ) the Pretender;

But who is Pretender and who is King,
God bless us all!
That's quite another thing."

[Finrod Felagund]

Originally posted by Ruinel
A bit like SGH claiming she's the "Queen of Nargothrond" and Finrod's love... but hey... I think it best that we humor her.

But we are actually married...

[Ruinel]

Just a little question... but... why would anyone care about this stuff?

Although, I think it would be fun to watch them all scrap it out on a Jerry Springer show. I'd actually break down and watch that vile show just to see something like that. Queen Liz picking up a chair and hitting this Michael whozits across the back or something. lol!