Why LOTR is the work of the devil - Page 2

Aragorns Dimple · 07-08-2002, 08:31 AM

Methinks the readers of the Bible (pure fiction) dislike LoTR (more great fiction) because it is reaching a new level of interest and following in the world, usurping the Bible's previous dominance of the Fiction Bestseller List for the past 2,000 years.

BeardofPants · 07-08-2002, 08:34 AM

C'mon. We all know how evil catholics are.

Darth Tater · 07-08-2002, 08:40 AM

OK Aragorn's Dimple that's pure [EDITED] like the ppl who say you can't like Star Wars and LOTR, but that they have to compete. The Bible is a great work, and wether you accept the religion of it or not it's a very true historical account, possibly the best in existance.

Tater, you can't say that. Can you?

SGH

Christiana · 07-08-2002, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
C'mon. We all know how evil catholics are.

sheesh,bug off.

Comic Book Guy · 07-08-2002, 02:53 PM

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sheesh,bug off.

Learn to take a joke.

afro-elf · 07-08-2002, 07:01 PM

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true historical account, possibly the best in existance.

minus god, angels, miracles, the erroneous historical parts, etc you might have a page or two

Arathorn · 07-08-2002, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by BeardofPants
C'mon. We all know how evil catholics are.

Wheher or not this is a joke, I believe the proper way of saying this would be

"We all know how evil some catholics can be."

It's like someone else saying

"We all know how unclean non-virgins are."

To which my answer would be

"Yeah, some people can be evil but I can't find any correlation with their religion, lifestyle, etc...."

Comic Book Guy · 07-08-2002, 07:31 PM

Keep to the Original Topic everybody.

***anduin*** · 07-08-2002, 11:41 PM

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Hrmm, so the fact that Tolkien was a devoit Catholic who converted CS Lewis to Christianity means nothing, huh?

No, because they were "drinking buddies".

Arathorn · 07-08-2002, 11:58 PM

Regarding Mr Cloud's article, I think that all he might just be trying to say is that christians should avoid trying to use Tolkien's books as an allegory of their version of a divine story. He gives examples about a lot of RPG's pushed forth mostly by D&D and all these concepts of "occultist" objects such as wizards and wraiths only to push his point by using concepts that these groups may find taboo.

In my view, any physical and even literal obect can be used for either good or evil. It is the mind who uses it that performs the act and makes it good/evil. I guess one may want to interpret it as an allegory of whatever but it becomes dangerous when people start taking your interpretations too literally and in some case, act on them.

For example (a ridiculous one),

"I want to throw my boss' ring into a smelter so he will lose his power over me"

Christiana · 07-09-2002, 12:44 PM

D&D rocks.

Renille · 07-09-2002, 02:36 PM

That's really incredibly stupid. I didn't read it, because I read something else very similar to this in an earlier thread. I assume they're all alike.

I'm a practising Catholic. Every single report on Tolkien, Lord of the Rings, the movie, everything written by Catholic reporters are always positive. SO unless I missed the fact that Catholic people are like the devil...

emplynx · 07-09-2002, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by Aragorns Dimple
Methinks the readers of the Bible (pure fiction) dislike LoTR (more great fiction) because it is reaching a new level of interest and following in the world, usurping the Bible's previous dominance of the Fiction Bestseller List for the past 2,000 years.

I don't think that the bible will ever be overridden as the best selling book of all-time. I'm a christian, and I like LotR! Even though it really isn't an allegory like Narnia, it is filled with Christian themes! (Read Finding God in the Lord of the Rings for more info.)
anduin, now that you mention that - in a sense, Jesus's diciples were drinking buddies too!

Andúril · 07-09-2002, 04:23 PM

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Emplynx:
Jesus's diciples were drinking buddies too!

I agree. The problem is, will we ever find liquor as hard as that ever again?

Rei · 07-10-2002, 04:03 AM

Those people have some SERIOUS issues.

***anduin*** · 07-10-2002, 07:49 AM

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......in a sense, Jesus's diciples were drinking buddies too!

LOL!! Don't mention that to the author!

samwiselvr2008 · 07-11-2002, 04:37 PM

okay, i finally desided to go to the web site, and now i know what you gise are talking about! i disagree with the person who wrote all of the stuff on that page! even if tolkien did not mean to add christian things in his books, he did. he probally did not even notice it though. he may have puted some things in that he wouldent if he had not read the Bible, like as an exsample,whene he (gandalf) is talking to wormatoug in the two towers gandalf says something close to what God says to satin in the garden of eden! we all say things that we don't mean to, and things that we try not to, and things that we wish we hadn't, and tolkien is not any difrent!

and who said that ALL rock in roll singers were bad? i never lissen to any rock in roll, but i suppose that there has to be some that is not bad! and even if all of them are bad, that dos not make tolkien bad dose it???

Wayfarer · 07-11-2002, 04:50 PM

THe sad thing is... that's pretty mild compared to some of hte stuff I've read.

One author said that 'sauron is clearly meant to represent god, and since he can only be defeated by everybody banding together agianst him, tolkien obviously wanted everybody to join together in athiesm'

Or 'the two towers is a clear statement about 911'

Wayfarer · 07-11-2002, 04:50 PM

THe sad thing is... that's pretty mild compared to some of hte stuff I've read.

One author said that 'sauron is clearly meant to represent god, and since he can only be defeated by everybody banding together agianst him, tolkien obviously wanted everybody to join together in athiesm'

Or 'the two towers is a clear statement about 911'

Lanelf · 07-13-2002, 01:46 AM

Not that 9/11 reference *AGAIN*!
Did the people who write these things know that Tolkien was... Pardon the estimate, I need to catch up on my history... about 50 years before 9/11, and thus had to be either a time-traveller or a seer to name his book the Two Towers in reference to that?

</rant>

Anyway, Tolkien's Towers were Orthanc and Minas Tirith, if I recall correctly. I read it on the back of one of the books ages ago.

07-08-2002, 08:31 AM	#21
Aragorns Dimple Enting Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: On Viggo's Chin Posts: 77	Methinks the readers of the Bible (pure fiction) dislike LoTR (more great fiction) because it is reaching a new level of interest and following in the world, usurping the Bible's previous dominance of the Fiction Bestseller List for the past 2,000 years. __________________ "Is it nice, my preciousss? Is it juicy? Is it scrumptiously crunchable?" - Gollum

07-08-2002, 08:34 AM	#22
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	C'mon. We all know how evil catholics are. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

07-08-2002, 08:40 AM	#23
Darth Tater The man Join Date: Sep 1999 Location: MA Posts: 4,572	OK Aragorn's Dimple that's pure [EDITED] like the ppl who say you can't like Star Wars and LOTR, but that they have to compete. The Bible is a great work, and wether you accept the religion of it or not it's a very true historical account, possibly the best in existance. Tater, you can't say that. Can you? SGH __________________ Visit the worlds greatest webpage! No, not The Tolkien Trail! Just click this! The Tolkien Trail ~Camelot

07-08-2002, 11:58 PM	#30
Arathorn Bard of Mangled Songs Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: West of Middle Earth...oh alright...Manila Posts: 2,679	Regarding Mr Cloud's article, I think that all he might just be trying to say is that christians should avoid trying to use Tolkien's books as an allegory of their version of a divine story. He gives examples about a lot of RPG's pushed forth mostly by D&D and all these concepts of "occultist" objects such as wizards and wraiths only to push his point by using concepts that these groups may find taboo. In my view, any physical and even literal obect can be used for either good or evil. It is the mind who uses it that performs the act and makes it good/evil. I guess one may want to interpret it as an allegory of whatever but it becomes dangerous when people start taking your interpretations too literally and in some case, act on them. For example (a ridiculous one), "I want to throw my boss' ring into a smelter so he will lose his power over me" __________________ Power attracts the corruptible. Absolute power attracts the absolutely corruptible. -Missionaria Protectiva, Frank Herbert *Accio, Ash Nazg!* Elennuru s?la lúmenn' omentielvo* (The Death Star shines on the hour of our meeting) - Darth Arathorn Put aside the ranger... Start looking for Mumakil action figures... Last edited by Arathorn : 07-09-2002 at 12:13 AM.

07-09-2002, 12:44 PM	#31
Christiana Elf Lord Join Date: May 2002 Location: Searching desperately for a swan boat to take to Valinor Posts: 1,231	D&D rocks. __________________ I take full responsibility for my actions, except for those that are somebody else's fault Having someone to blame is nearly as good as having a solution to the problem Before you criticize someone, you should walk a mile in their shoes. That way, when you criticize them, you are a mile away from them, and you habe their shoes. ~Frieda Norris

07-08-2002, 07:31 PM	#28
Comic Book Guy Best Ex-Administrator ever Join Date: May 2001 Location: Ireland Posts: 60,547	Keep to the Original Topic everybody.

07-09-2002, 02:36 PM	#32
Renille Elven Lady of Speed-posting Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the cheese state Posts: 988	That's really incredibly stupid. I didn't read it, because I read something else very similar to this in an earlier thread. I assume they're all alike. I'm a practising Catholic. Every single report on Tolkien, Lord of the Rings, the movie, everything written by Catholic reporters are always positive. SO unless I missed the fact that Catholic people are like the devil... __________________ Oh the thinks you can think! Think and wonder and dream...far and wide as you dare! When your thinks have run dry, in the blink of an eye, there's another world there... (from Seussical the Musical. Listen to it...watch it...really.)

07-10-2002, 04:03 AM	#35
Rei Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hades....it's a tough job but someone's gotta do it Posts: 182	Those people have some SERIOUS issues. __________________ ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Seek for the Sword that was broken: In Imladris it dwells; There shall be counsels taken Stronger than Morgul-spells. There shall be shown a token That doom is near at hand For Isildur's Bane shall waken, And the Halfling forth shall stand. ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Whoo-hooo!!! I'm an Elven Warrior!!!!!

07-11-2002, 04:37 PM	#37
samwiselvr2008 Elf Lord Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hobbiton Posts: 739	okay, i finally desided to go to the web site, and now i know what you gise are talking about! i disagree with the person who wrote all of the stuff on that page! even if tolkien did not mean to add christian things in his books, he did. he probally did not even notice it though. he may have puted some things in that he wouldent if he had not read the Bible, like as an exsample,whene he (gandalf) is talking to wormatoug in the two towers gandalf says something close to what God says to satin in the garden of eden! we all say things that we don't mean to, and things that we try not to, and things that we wish we hadn't, and tolkien is not any difrent! and who said that ALL rock in roll singers were bad? i never lissen to any rock in roll, but i suppose that there has to be some that is not bad! and even if all of them are bad, that dos not make tolkien bad dose it??? __________________ Jesus loves you! Movie vewing count from the theater: Return of the King:9 Two Towers: 11 Fellowship: 13 FRODO LIVES!

07-11-2002, 04:50 PM	#38
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	THe sad thing is... that's pretty mild compared to some of hte stuff I've read. One author said that 'sauron is clearly meant to represent god, and since he can only be defeated by everybody banding together agianst him, tolkien obviously wanted everybody to join together in athiesm' Or 'the two towers is a clear statement about 911' __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

07-13-2002, 01:46 AM	#40
Lanelf Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: The Second Drawer Down Posts: 407	Not that 9/11 reference AGAIN! Did the people who write these things know that Tolkien was... Pardon the estimate, I need to catch up on my history... about 50 years before 9/11, and thus had to be either a time-traveller or a seer to name his book the Two Towers in reference to that? </rant> Anyway, Tolkien's Towers were Orthanc and Minas Tirith, if I recall correctly. I read it on the back of one of the books ages ago. __________________ Hey, I'm back! resounding silence You didn't even notice I was gone, did you? Well, I'm back now anyway. Artemis Fowl must find Mulch Diggums! You'll never shut down the real Napster

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