09-20-2006, 09:44 AM | #21 |
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Wow! good work.
I haven't really read the appendices in ages. i only mainly dip in, so i'll leave this to the experts.
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09-20-2006, 12:40 PM | #22 | |
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I think this quote captures the very essence of the Appendix A:
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However, now that I think about it, it somehow doesn't fit very well with the image of the old declining civilization we get from the Appendices... More like building of the young new kingdoms... |
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09-25-2006, 05:45 AM | #23 |
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Doesn't that quote come from In the House of Tom Bombadil?
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09-25-2006, 07:35 AM | #24 |
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nevermind
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To think the Dutch translation completely omits the appendices! It was only later that I noticed that my friend, who had just bought the English version, had a list of angerthas and tengwar in her copy! I then had no option but to buy the English version, which I was already planning on but then I at least had an excuse. Never regretted it, the appendices hold a wealth of info I hate to go without.
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But why didn't the Tree die at the death of Ondoher and his sons when the line was again broken big time? Or why did it not die when the kingship effectively died out in Gondor with the unspecified death of Eärnur? What was so special about Steward Belecthor II that the Tree followed suit at his death and not at a seemingly more significant earlier event? Quote:
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This goes beyond the information in the Appendices, but in HOME 12: "The Heirs of Elendil" - we see that Belecthor lived to be 120. You have to go back 8 generations of Stewards to find one who lived longer - and none after him lived to be any more than 100. That's very unusual for how Tolkien lays out the ages that characters in his lineages reach. Among the Dunedain, they are always shortening - consistently. Belecthor II may be the only exception - besides Aragorn (except for much smaller variances among Stewards). So - I wonder if Tolkien either had something special in mind for Belecthor - or else if he wanted to at least ALLOW for something special about Belecthor, and was going to get around to thinking what it was later.
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Interesting tidbit about Belecthor II's age. I wonder what Tolkien wanted to add to his life, but never came around to.
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