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Elven Warrior
Join Date: Jan 2002
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Europe and France tend to dislike with people openly wearing religious garb. I would say that this is especially true in Britain, we look askance and feel rather embarassed at such extreme displays of religion. I wouldn't say at all that this attitude is a problem. Europe is not loud, brash, in-your-face America, nor is she the uncivilised, extreme Middle East. She is genteel, civilsied Europe which is rather embarassed at such extremism.
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I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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![]() I would rather live in a country that is WELCOMING of foreigners and other nationalities and people and religions than the closed off society I experienced there and what I see on French news.
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Elf Lord
Join Date: Mar 2002
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In a utopian world where everyone is equal and wears the same clothes everything would perfect, wouldn't it? And no religion permitted (it being the opium for the masses (this being the only sane thing Stalin ever uttered)).
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I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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I like differences and the world would be VERY boring if everyone was the same.
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Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
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in a utopian world no one would need clothes
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Elf Lord
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![]() Because we're in a war we're uncivilized? How can you know how do all of us behave, huh? That's a silly generalization. I wonder how would the minorities in France will react. The franch probably did want to calm the area, but by restricting those items to be brought to school, they would only make it worse. |
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And I must say it is very hypocritical of you, jerseydevil, oh-defender-of-American-ideals, to call me arrogant!
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The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator
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I agree with you that the religions that have more visible signs and traditions are hit the hardest by this. I didn't consider it up to now. The fairness of the rule is perhaps a little hard to find. Quote:
![]() Generally (it may surprise you) people get along here as well. It's true that Europeans on the whole keep a little more to themselves than others but that doesn't mean we're just a xenophobic lot. Furthermore this thread is not to decend into the spiral of bashing. This thread is about the French decision to ban all visible signs of religion. I know you people can debate peacefully and with respect to one another and you better start proving it. So no flames and no personal attacks anymore or this thread gets closed. Is it that hard to stay civil?
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I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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I have never called a country unciviliced like you did - which is arrogant. As for the "in-your-face" comment - that in Europe is generally used as a way to stick up your noses at us and have the typical "we're more cultured then you" attitude. I've seen it for myself. I'm wondering if you have ever actually BEEN to America.
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I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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![]() ![]() I have gotten this impression from BEING in England from French TV and various European news websites. You are telling me EVERYONE is wrong? I'm not even going by OUR news media and whats on here - I'm looking at the source. Quote:
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Eärniel - How many Europeans have experience with America on a personal level by coming to America? How many Europeans only us us through YOUR media and our movies and TV shows? I have feeling and I know for a fact from talking to Europeans - that even one's who like the US, have a lot of misperceptions about things here, because they have never been here.
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Elven Warrior
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I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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So - just because we don't have passports, does NOT mean we have not left the country. And if each state needed a passport like each country needed a passport in Europe - people here would have them. Can YOU go all over Europe without a passport? I know you can't - therefore you have more of a need of them then we do.
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Frankly, I don't know. And I try not to make judgements on things I don't know. But personally I think even one visit isn't going to be enough to clear any misconceptions. IMO in some cases you'll never know a country even if you live in it for years. You can visit Versailles or have a chat about politics in Brussels but you won't necesarily know Europe yet. Because people are too DIFFERENT. The same thing -I assume- goes for America. You've traveled through many states if I remember correctly, JD. Surely they're not all the same? Then why would Europe be so? Whatever problems the French may have with racism doesn't necesarily mean that the rest of Europe got them as well simply because they're on the same continent. That's all I'm trying to say. I didn't take offence, all that last alinea meant was a warning not to let this thread end up in a flame-fest. And that was not aimed at you alone. EDIT: Missed your post in first read, sun-star. But I agree. ![]()
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I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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I do have a problem with people telling me how America is when they haven't even stepped foot on the soil and at least I have been to Britain, and as I said - I watch French news. I would watch Russien news more, but most of it seems to be just praises of Putin at the moment. Quote:
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You say that Europe is genteel? It was sooooo genteel for Europeans to systematically take innocent people to the gas chambers and murder them. ![]() Yes, Europe is soooooo genteel. ![]() Quote:
![]() Your comments based on "observations" are quite obviously uninformed and uneducated. I'm speculating that you are predicate this "observation" on television shows sent to you overseas. Television is NOT reality. Not even reality shows are reality. ![]() You want to compare nudity in television shows, commercials? No? I didn't think so. ![]() Quote:
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![]() BTW, I have a current passport. So does most of my family. I know many people that have them, though they might not need them but once in the life of the passport. Why? Because as JD said, we do not need a passport to travel our continent. When I visited Europe, most people I met really never traveled far from their home. I can't say this describes all of Europe, but I'm not addel-pated enough to apply that to everyone there. ![]() |
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Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2003
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So, er, what was the thread about again?
Oh, yes. Well, I guess we probably won't get too many French people on this site, so we can say what the hell we like about them. Wahahahah. I've been to France many times, but only for short periods (two weeks max at a time). However, in that time I've been impressed by both the diversity and articulacy (is that a word? you know - how people put their ideas into words) of people's views. And that includes racism. Overt, police-sponsored. However, as Earniel says, you can't know much about a country by just visiting it. Other countries have been known to have issues with race. We're all people, and all this Europe vs America stuff is such a bore. Last edited by The Gaffer : 12-12-2003 at 11:38 PM. |
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I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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![]() why should they be embarassed at displays of religion? and i wouldnt call the displays very extreme. I dont see anything extreme about them at all in fact. btw, America is the greatest country of all.
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