02-04-2003, 06:03 PM | #21 |
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I don't believe so. If they chose to stay in Middle-Earth, well, by then the time of the Elves was past, and there were few-no Elves or ships left, I believe.
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Eärendil and Elwing both choose to be counted among the elves. Their children Elrond and Elros were given the choice too. Elros chose mankind and his children were counted amongst such and could not choose. Elrond choose elfkind and since Arwen had to choose, I guess Elladan and Elrohir would eventually have to choose too. So I suppose whether or not their children would have the choice between mortality and imortality depended on the choice of their fathers.
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02-04-2003, 06:25 PM | #23 |
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But what if they married a human??
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02-04-2003, 06:44 PM | #24 |
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When an Elf (Elda at least) loves and weds a Man (that's what the race is called), then often the Elf chooses mortality, i.e. Arwen, Luthien (don't know about Idril).
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02-04-2003, 07:26 PM | #25 |
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Idril did not become mortal, Tuor became Immortal and shared the fate of the elves, I believe.
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02-04-2003, 07:30 PM | #26 |
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Oh, yes, silly me. I remember now.
AnyWHO, if they wed a lady of Mannish race, then most likely either they would become mortal or their wife would become immortal.
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02-04-2003, 09:02 PM | #27 |
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I always thought that Elrond and Elros were both mortal until they were given the choice by the Valar. So, while Elrond chose to become immortal (within the life of the Earth), Elros chose to stay mortal. If I'm correct to think the the Peredhil were born mortal, then Elros's children only ever had mortal blood (half-elven though it may have been) and the choice was never an option for them. I'm sure someone can tell me if the half-elven were born mortal.
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02-04-2003, 09:38 PM | #28 |
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Well, If by Halfelven you mean all of them, I'm sure Arwen wasn't, since she was was around for c (I think) 3000 years when she met Aragorn.
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Then I don't know.
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02-04-2003, 09:56 PM | #31 |
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Me either.
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I actually think they were born as elvenkind, and then after the voyage of Earendil & Elwing, they were then given the choice. At least when I read that in the Sil, even though they didn't give mention to it, I don't think (and I read it last night, lol), I read it as them being elvenkind and then deciding which line they would want.
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Just before that Mandos said; "Shall mortal Man step living upon the undying lands, and yet live?"
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You should not concretely say Elrohir and Elladan chose to be mortal.
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Elrond, by choosing immortality, was still not an "elf" - his children got the choice because he married CelebrÃ*an, a full elf. This gave them a renewed Elvish strain. Arwen married a mortal, and so did Elros; subsequently their children were mortal. If Elladan and Elrohir married elves, their children would have the choice, presumably. Anyway, someone said... Quote:
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You're right - there were no other half-elven peoples.
But, hypothetically, yes, I suppose so. Elrond's parents, Earendil and Elwing, were both half-elven, so I presume that the same would apply if Elrond and another half-elf were wed.
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