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True, but then again we don't get to hear much of them at all, and whenever they are mentioned they are just together with "the rest" (of the brothers). Here we actually get to hear a bit about how they think. And true, it'll be hard to incorporate it with the rest of the Silmarillion in some ways, but basically we can only remove Amras from "Amrod and Amras...".
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You could just imagine Amrod as having gone insame and recreated his twin as a second personality, and the 5 other brothers humoring him.
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Haha, you guys are funny.
Falagar, you're right in that we don't hear much of A&A. I wish we did. I'd like to hear more about Caranthir too. Though I seem to remember from one version of the Sil (not the published) that A&A in fact were the leaders in the third kinslaying. It's funny, we have M&M, C&C and A&A. Caranthir is the leftover.
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Okay Maedhros. Anyone that leaves 8 two foot long posts in a row is officially crazy. And by the way, I read the lay of Leithan, so your outline isn't helping much
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Hey, feeling like just a little guy posting here (you guys are way smarter than me, man), but I do have a question.
I was reading HoME: Book of Lost Tales 2 a while back (havent had much time to read lately), so its not too fresh in my mind, but any ideas on why Tolkien switched from the cats of Morgoth to the one wolf (whos name I dont know how to spell, Carcaroth? something to that effect)? I'm sure Chris T. explains it, but he usually confuses me. Just wondering (also, I've wanted to get in on these discussions, but all my questions seem like something I could look up if I wasnt lazy, and I dont have enought time to read the books to come up with a good discussion, so this will have to do)
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Hm. It's a long time since I read the Tale of Tinúviel, but I know the Tale to be very different from how the story of Beren and Lúthien appeared in the later versions of the Silmarillion. I don't think CRT ever have explained why Tevildo the Cat disappeared, but he did say that the Huan vs. werewolf could be viewed as the continuation of the Huan vs. Tevildo theme, and that the Necromancer (Sauron) replaced Tevildo as the one who imprisoned Beren.
Though I would say that Tevildo and his companions fit well into the more 'playful' atmosphere and style of the rest of the tales, but not in the later versions as the language and the prose form of the Silmarillion developed through the years.
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Yeah, thats right, I forgot about the sauron part, thanks. Any speculation on why he changed it? I thought it was really good, and I liked the legendarium (if that's even a word) of why dogs hate cats.
That said, I think that may be why he did, because when he wrote the LOTR, he had to slip away from his whole "Tol Eressa is England" mythology, and maybe he decided not to have as much myth, also, he now had Sauron. Most likely, it was just one of those changes that all stories go through that added some perspective to it that he thought was missing in Tevildo. by the way, sorry I havent gotton back to you. I'm on it, I promise.
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please see my last post, I edited it.
And don't stress yourself, there's no hurry. Edit: And no, I believe Tevildo disappeared long before LotR was begun. The Lay of Leithian was written in the late twenties, and there were no cats there.
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gotcha, that's what I was trying to get at with a lot of words (one of which, I may have made up (legendarium), never heard that one before...something similar maybe...)
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Editing and cross-posting with you again.
And I also use the word legendarium.
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Well, at least we're consistent.
Do you know where it says when Tevildo disappeared? (probably right there in the BoLT2, right under my nose....)
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I'll see if I can look something up. But I know that Tevildo and his gang appear in the Tale only.
And I'll edit this post when I'm finished! Edit: This is from BoLT 1, the Foreword: Quote:
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Yeah, I am going to have to find time to refresh my memory on this anyway. I'm pretty sure its in the BoLT 2, I just cant remember. Thanks, Artanis.
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