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Here is a map that shows the journey from Bree to Weathertop...
Unfortunately, my map spanned two pages of my book. The dark shaded area is from the spine of the book. It was the best I could do with my scanning.
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This last map shows the journey from Weathertop to Rivendell. For the scale and key see the maps previously posted in the other discussion chapters. The dark line with arrows indicates the journey with the dates of each camp written next to the small triangles.
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One possibility for Strider saying this is that the greatest power that the wraiths and Mordor-related things have is the power of fear. I guess you could say that be naming these things you increase the fear factor and therefore add to their strength. I'm not proposing this as the only reason, just as a possibility. Quote:
Thanks, Linaewen, I really enjoyed reading these chapters and contemplating your discussion questions!!
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Thank you Elanor, those maps are terrific! Thanks Telcontar as well . Who said that, btw?
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Aragorn on pg 185 when Sam replies 'Maybe. It is also as good a way of saying "here we are" as I can think of bar shouting'
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"I haven't had the 'flu this winter", people will say that you shouldn't say it because it might happen as a result. People often say "Touch wood" after making a comment like this to ward off the bad omen. So there is a strong historical background to bad omens occurring as a result of the use of words based on superstition - I don't know why!! Perhaps someone who knows about superstitions could shed light on this subject.
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I have a question that I've always wondered about whenever I read Flight to the Ford.
The flood at the ford killed the horses of the Nazgûl, but why did that hinder their attack? Sure they feared water, but they could apparently overcome their fear enough to make their horses cross the river. Why then would the flood make them turn back? Could they be physically hindered by the rush of water? What are your opinions on this? |
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They are invisible, and they (or perhaps only Angmar) resistant to permenant injury from some weapons, but they are yet to some extent coporeal and subject to physical forces, such as the flood, and they interact with ordinary matter, wearing clothes, riding horses, weildding baldes, they were swept away by the flood.
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Good question, and one which I think JRRT left to our imaginations. I agree with Lefty.
The only clue I can recall is that Merry's blade broke "the spell that knit his undead sinews to his will", which implies that the "body" of a nazgul is held together by a magical force. There's no reason why that body wouldn't be, as a whole, subject to a great force like the river. Maybe that's why they feared to cross rivers: an unrelenting physical force that couldn't be countered by their will. |
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Thanks for your answers, I feel enlightened !
However, Gaffer, I have my own theory as to why they feared water but it's too religious and I'd hate to force it on other people |
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No come on Beren, lets hear what you got. If everyone said that then no one would post anything.
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And Ulmo wasn't deceived by Morgoth Saurons master so all the more reason to hate it.
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Yeah, that's a valid explanation, too. But I'm sticking to my theory.
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Tolkien was a dedicated Christian, so it's only reasonable that he used elements from the Bible in his writings. I'd guess it is not a mere coincidence that he let Ulmo be the Lord of Waters and also the one of the Valar who were always in opposition to the dark forces in Arda and never ceased to work against them.
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