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My vote would tend to depend a great deal on candidates' positions on the "hotbutton but much less relevant issues."
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I'm homeschooled, so I don't know that much what public school highschool is like. But being homeschooled, our parents taught us values and discipline that has enabled my siblings and myself to do much better at college than most of the people around us. People tend to ask us for help and we tend to excell in our classes. I note as I go into the classes that all the people around me who have come through the public school system have a similar amount of knowledge to that which I have to begin with (in several of the classes, anyway) and have the same course material to go through to succeed. Yet they don't bother. Instead, I see them goofing off and chatting about off-topic things, partying and their social lives. I tend to think it's because my siblings and I go into the system with a different mindset. I go there to learn and succeed. They don't. And so with college, at any rate, I don't think it's so much about the system as it is about the students who go into it. I've heard bad things about highschool too, though, about education getting dubbed down to the lowest denominator of student, for instance. And about how it is becoming exceedingly politically correct. So I tend to suspect the problem is less with the system than it is with our current American culture. I know that past generations of Americans were extremely studious and disciplined from youth, and that in earlier generations education fared much better. So I think family upbringing and family values, and cultural values have a very large amount to do with the problem.
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08-17-2007, 05:41 PM | #23 | |
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And, to validate HB, "With a name like (Obama), (he) has to be good."
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08-18-2007, 03:41 PM | #25 |
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I went to public school and I think I turned out okay.
It is all about the parents though. Uneducated parents or educated parents that don't particularly care about their child's education don't do very well at inspiring their kids to learn. That's why we need public education. And we need a system that spends ten times as much time and money with our children so that those who do not get it at home at least get it somewhere.
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08-18-2007, 05:09 PM | #26 | |
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I agree, a lot of it is the parents. I'm a docent at a museum that does field trips a lot and the kids will be really interested, but the parents won't let them ask questions and touch the interactive displays. It's like they don't care whether or not their kids learn anything, like it doesn't matter to them whether their kids turn out unmotivated.
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I have little against homeschooling, except that I think it is important to experience the bad as well as the good while growing up. If you never got teased, and never learned how to deal with a bully, then you haven't really learned how to live in the adult world. But I think 90% of how a child is going to turn out is their parental experience. Homeschoolers turn out better not because "home schooling" is better, but because the statistics are self-selecting. By definition, someone who is home schooled has parents who care about their child's education. The problem is how to bring education to the children who's parents don't care, or do but aren't particularly good at educating. That's why good public schooling is a necessity. It's not a question of what is better, but whether a child will get education at all.
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08-19-2007, 10:18 AM | #28 |
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I agree completely. If my parents hadn't cared about me, who knows what may have happened to me? I love it that my mom cares enough about my education to give me and my younger brother the time it takes to successfully homeschool. If the parents cared about their kids, we wouldl live in a MUCH better world.
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08-19-2007, 09:02 PM | #29 |
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It is the key for so much in life. And, while we obviously can't make parents care, or even devise a government system that takes the place of "good" parents, we can provide a system that does a lot to make up for "bad" parents.
What discourages me is the people who refuse to see the other side. Typically those who grew up in good environments and assume that they don't have to spend all their money helping others because they didn't need subsidised daycare, public schools, local youth programs, etc. It's a blindness of those that have had a very gifted life, and it is extremely hard to open their eyes to the other side. And I don't even think it is because they don't care, it is simply because they can't understand.
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08-21-2007, 07:34 AM | #30 | |
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08-21-2007, 07:40 AM | #31 | |
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Or are you one of those who believe that abortion is murder but the penalty should be less than for shoplifting?
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08-21-2007, 10:12 AM | #32 | |
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Overturning Roe v Wade would just throw it back to the states, which would mean people crossing borders to get them. Making it illegal would just send people out of the country to get them, not to mention the implementation problems Gray eluded to. Do you charge a young girl with premeditated murder if she is found to have gotten an abortion? What about her boyfriend that may have drove her to the clinic?
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So no, I don't support an invasion of Pakistan, even if the president views it as not doing enough in the War on Terror. Surgical strikes on high value targets are one thing. An invasion is a horrible idea. Besides, since the battle at the Red Mosque, Musharraf has gone all-out against Islamic militants. There have been at least 200 casualties (I think it was more like 250) since the Red Mosque attack. The fighting is intense and many soldiers are dying. Quote:
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I just strated keeping with the election stuff. Right now there's too many for me to decide who I would vote for.
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Acally------->>>>>SEE SIGNATURE;-)
Each part of that, "advertisement", if you will, contains a link to a different website about my favorite candidate. I like Huckabee, personally, but he isn't...very conservative on fiscal issues. He's a good-hearted guy, but very spotty when it comes to policy.
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Iowa results in.
Democrats: Obama 38% Edwards 30% Clinton 29% Big loser- Hillary. While she's got the money and organization to keep going, third place has to hurt. Republicans: Huckabee 34% Romney 25% Thompson 13% McCain 13% (just edged out by Thompson) Big loser: Romney, though it's less of a blow- does make New Hampshire, where McCain has apparently been resurrected, a must win.
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It has to be bad news for the country that both candidates who ran to their bases won. We're going to split down the middle like a boiled egg, if this keeps up. Be interesting to see what the NH brand of crazy turns up. We look to be running right through Super Tuesday. What a waste of resources.
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As for Obama, he ran well to the right of Edwards, and in some cases-(social security, health care) even right of Hillary, and based his appeal on 'unity', rising above partisanship, and abandoning those stale old battlegrounds (whether it's as much a crock as Dubbya's "compassionate conservatism" is another matter.) But so far, from a sample of one, it's working. Obama beat Clinton and Edwards by 32 to 31 to 27 among Democrats. His winning margin came from Independents, especially first-time voters. Quote:
Of course, we don't have to live through it...
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*sigh*
On the other hand, I'm not rooting for Clinton. But I don't see this upsetting her for long...well see what happens on Tuesday night.
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