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Rosie Gamgee · 09-09-2003, 07:22 PM

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Originally posted by IronParrot
Nuh-uh.

The encounter between Frodo and the Nazgul seems to be established in the film as a pretty clear provocation for Sauron's assault on Gondor.

That said, it could be that when Pippin takes the palantir, Sauron doesn't really have a durn idea where he is - but that is highly doubtful. You'd think he'd be able to tell which palantir is Isengard's and which is Minas Tirith's.

In any case, this issue is one that will have to be addressed. We'll know in three months.

Sauron knows that a hobbit has the Ring, because Gollum told Him, right? In the books it says that Sauron didn't think that anybody would try to destroy the Ring, cuz He never thought He'd miss it if it came to Mordor. So His Nazgul report that they sensed the Ring in Osgiliath, which is pretty close to Minas Tirith. Then, about the same time, or a little after, He gets a call on the palatir from- he thinks- Saruman. Now I don't think one can see faces when one looks in a palantir, cuz in the books Sauron thought at first he was talking to Saruman, and then asked "What are you?" because he could sense after a moment or two it was not him, but something else. Pippin tells Him he is a hobbit. Two different reports of a hobbit near Minas Tirith who potentially have the Ring. He sends a Nazgul over to investigate (that was in the book). Pippin gets to Minas Tirith, and (according to PJ in the preview) Denethor thinks he has the Ring, because of the riddle about the halfling and Isildur's Bane. So the he goes and gets on the palantir, and Sauron finds out that the Ring is in Minas Tirith and sends His army out to get it before someone can use it.
Sounds logical enough to me, although that is not how I interpreted the whole episode in the book. And then there is the fact that Merry and Pippin are in Edoras (obviously) when Merry says "Don't you understand? The Enemy thinks you have the Ring! He's coming for the Ring."

Black Breathalizer · 09-10-2003, 09:33 PM

People, you need to pay attention!!! The ringwraiths have a keen scene of smell and poor sight. They sense the ring WHEN FRODO PUTS IT ON OR IS CLOSE TO PUTTING IT ON!!!!

Examples:

The black rider scene: The rider only begins to sense the ring as Frodo gets closer and closer to putting it on.

The riders *know* where the ring is the exact moment that Frodo puts on the ring in Bree.

The riders *see* Frodo when he puts on the ring on Weathertop.

The Nazgul senses something in the area of the swamp as Frodo struggles to keep from putting on the ring. He leaves once Sam helps Frodo.

The Nazgul sense something in Ogiliath as Frodo struggles to keep from putting on the ring (THE SAME as in the book's Morgul Valley). He leaves when Sam helps Frodo.

Gamigar · 09-14-2003, 07:20 PM

[QUOTE] I just really hope that when Aragorn says, "He has gone unchallenged long enough," it doesn't mean that he's going to duel with Sauron. I remember hearing that it would happen.

i wouldn't worry about it, i mean, i heard a rumor that the extended FotR was gonna be rated r because Arwen and Aragorn, well....um...made..uh...
you know, went farther than kissing in rivendell.

Gamigar · 09-15-2003, 06:35 PM

Wait a minute, how could Sauron think that Pippin had the ring when his ringwraith saw Frodo hold out the ring???!!!

cassiopeia · 09-15-2003, 10:43 PM

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Originally posted by Gamigar
Wait a minute, how could Sauron think that Pippin had the ring when his ringwraith saw Frodo hold out the ring???!!!

Apparently the Ringwraith didn't see or feel the Ring.

Dúnedain · 09-19-2003, 07:16 PM

I can't wait

Yodaman · 09-19-2003, 07:37 PM

Dernhelm is in ROTK, okay? Not to be rude, but I think that you would know about her by know. There are no live action pictures of her, but there are pictures of her action figure. You can find them at www.thegd.com. It's an awsome site. Lol.

Yodaman.

Rosie Gamgee · 09-23-2003, 05:52 PM

She better be!!!

I think when Aragorn says "He has gone unchallenged long enough" he's talking about Saruman.
He's obviously in Rohan when he says it, so I'm betting it's before he and Theoden and Gandalf set out to Isengard (and then they find Merry and Pip enjoying the spoils of battle!

hee hee, love that part!!)

Evenstar1400 · 09-25-2003, 09:29 PM

yeah, but aragorn could also be talking about sauron. i heard somewhere there might be a head to head battle between the two as a build up to the climax..... (i think its just to piss us fans off and to see how long aragorn can last against sauron before he gets squished like a pancake.)

then again, i could be wrong. sauron needs the ring to have a body and if he doesnt have a body he cant go against aragorn.

but then again, aragorn could be talking about a mental challenge, like what he did in the palantir.

or i could be entirely wrong.

i just cant wait to see the battle on the pelannor fields. i read in an article its supposed to make helms deep look like "a hobbit family picnic."

yay!

Entlover · 09-27-2003, 05:34 AM

It just occured to me, thinking about that totally senseless scene with the fell beast in Osgiliath, that the Nazgul sensed but did not see the ring, BUT the fell beast saw the ring -- though not being any more intelligent than a rutabaga it tried to grab it but could not communicate it's findings to the Nazgul, and then it's attention was distracted by being shot by Faramir.

The Gaffer · 09-27-2003, 06:30 AM

Imagine that. He he he. Mass walkout of entire fan-base.

Good points about the Osgiliath ring-waving incident. I suppose it's conceivable that Sauron didn't know there was more than one hobbit.

Methinks PJ had been at me home brew when that bit was scripted, but I'm pleased to see reports that they're going to make more out of Pippin and Aragorn using the Palantir.

Elvengirl · 09-27-2003, 10:20 AM

Doesn't Miranda Otto say that she had read and copied all of Eowyn/Dernhelm's lines from the book and kept them with her so as to fully learn, understand, and become her character. Per that it sounds like (I hope) her part will be pretty accurate to the book, that her lines will be the same.

It does look like the Dunedain will not be in The Paths of the Dead, which will be dissappointing, but how can Jackson remove them? Their role is essential to winning the battle at Pelennor. Who'd show up to save the day?
But then again at Helm's Deep Jackson added the Elven army so who knows what could happen.

I can't wait to see how Merry and Pippin are going to be, if they are going to mature into little warriors. Oh, and Shelob should be wicked and Frodo and Sam, and Gandalf, and the confrontation with Saruman, and the Grey Havens, and oh,....... everything.
Overall it looks like it will be very good. We'll have to wait and see.

I'm excited!

Evenstar1400 · 09-28-2003, 01:05 PM

(as counted on LOTR TT 2003 wall calendar) exactly... 80 days till ROTK!!!!!!!!!

yay!!!

***Valandil*** · 10-07-2003, 11:26 AM

Those of you concerned about Aragorn's challenge... not to worry. It's about a direct quote from the book, "Too long has he gone unchallenged since he returned to his tower" (or something like that) about 2/3rds of the way thru chapter "The Last Debate". It does refer to Aragorn's use of the palantir - revealing himself to Sauron and wresting control of the sphere from him.

I, er... DON'T have the whole thing memorized, but had recently re-read ROTK to get myself tuned in for the upcoming third movie.

Ahhh... you know, I didn't used to think so - but more and more, I see lembas as a kind of chocolate-chip cookie... maybe even, "baked in magic ovens in an elf factory" - but that's dating myself.

Go Cubs!!! (can I say that here?)

Dúnedain · 10-07-2003, 04:07 PM

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Originally posted by Elvengirl
It does look like the Dunedain will not be in The Paths of the Dead, which will be dissappointing, but how can Jackson remove them? Their role is essential to winning the battle at Pelennor. Who'd show up to save the day?

I agree that it sucks that the Dúnedain won't be in the picture but it wasn't just them that saved the day, remember there is also, "The Army of the Dead", so knowing that the Army of the Dead is going to be in the movie I bet their role will be expanded and maybe even get up to the Pellanor Fields, but I have no clue really just guessing

Elvengirl · 10-07-2003, 09:05 PM

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Originally posted by Dúnedain
I agree that it sucks that the Dúnedain won't be in the picture but it wasn't just them that saved the day, remember there is also, "The Army of the Dead", so knowing that the Army of the Dead is going to be in the movie I bet their role will be expanded and maybe even get up to the Pellanor Fields, but I have no clue really just guessing

Yes, that's true, it's definitely a possibility.

He may even use the Army of the Dead only in Pelennor field and just take out the fighting in the south.

Dúnedain · 10-08-2003, 12:34 AM

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Originally posted by Elvengirl
Yes, that's true, it's definitely a possibility.

He may even use the Army of the Dead only in Pelennor field and just take out the fighting in the south.

Yup that's what I was thinking, I mean that would translate well into the movie, and I wouldn't have that much of a problem with it, even though I wish I wasn't cut from the movie

Elvengirl · 10-08-2003, 10:23 AM

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Originally posted by Dúnedain
Yup that's what I was thinking, I mean that would translate well into the movie, and I wouldn't have that much of a problem with it, even though I wish I wasn't cut from the movie

I wouldn't have a problem either, and it would work well into the movie. It'd make sense.

Picture the Army of the Dead in combat with the host of Mordor. hehe exciting

Though I do wish the Dunedain would be there.

09-14-2003, 07:20 PM	#23
Gamigar Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere between here and there Posts: 116	[QUOTE] I just really hope that when Aragorn says, "He has gone unchallenged long enough," it doesn't mean that he's going to duel with Sauron. I remember hearing that it would happen. i wouldn't worry about it, i mean, i heard a rumor that the extended FotR was gonna be rated r because Arwen and Aragorn, well....um...made..uh... you know, went farther than kissing in rivendell. __________________ The road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began Now far ahead the road has gone And I must follow if I can Pursuing it with eager feet Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet And wither then I can not say

09-15-2003, 06:35 PM	#24
Gamigar Elven Warrior Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: somewhere between here and there Posts: 116	Wait a minute, how could Sauron think that Pippin had the ring when his ringwraith saw Frodo hold out the ring???!!! __________________ The road goes ever on and on Down from the door where it began Now far ahead the road has gone And I must follow if I can Pursuing it with eager feet Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet And wither then I can not say

09-19-2003, 07:16 PM	#26
Dúnedain High King of Númenórë Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Númenórë <--United States of America Posts: 1,947	I can't wait __________________ 'Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta!' - And those were the words that Elendil spoke when he came up out of the Sea on the wings of the wind: 'Out of the Great Sea to Middle-earth I am come. In this place will I abide, and my heirs, unto the ending of the world.' 'Then Tuor arrayed himself in the hauberk, and set the helm upon his head, and he girt himself with the sword; black were sheath and belt with clasps of silver. Thus armed he went forth from Turgon's hall, and stood upon the high terraces of Taras in the red light of the sun. None were there to see him, as he gazed westward, gleaming in silver and gold, and he knew not that in that hour he appeared as one of the Mighty of the West, and fit to be father of the kings of the Kings of Men beyond the Sea, as it was indeed his doom to be; but in the taking of those arms a change came upon Tuor son of Huor, and his heart grew great within him. And as he stepped down from the doors the swans did him reverence, and plucking each a great feather from their wings they proffered them to him, laying their long necks upon the stone before his feet; and he took the seven feathers and set them in the crest of his helm, and straightway the swans arose and flew north in the sunset, and Tuor saw them no more.' -Of Tuor and his Coming to Gondolin "Oh. Forgive me, fairest of all males of Entmoot...Back down, all ye other wannabe fairest males! Dunedain is the fairest!" --Linaewen

09-19-2003, 07:37 PM	#27
Yodaman Elven Warrior Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Swamps of Dagobah Posts: 234	Dernhelm Dernhelm is in ROTK, okay? Not to be rude, but I think that you would know about her by know. There are no live action pictures of her, but there are pictures of her action figure. You can find them at www.thegd.com. It's an awsome site. Lol. Yodaman. __________________ "What about second breakfast?"

09-23-2003, 05:52 PM	#28
Rosie Gamgee The Lovely Hobbit-Lass Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Bounded in a nut-shell Posts: 1,593	She better be!!! I think when Aragorn says "He has gone unchallenged long enough" he's talking about Saruman. He's obviously in Rohan when he says it, so I'm betting it's before he and Theoden and Gandalf set out to Isengard (and then they find Merry and Pip enjoying the spoils of battle! hee hee, love that part!!) __________________ It's New Years Day, just like the day before; Same old skies of grey, same empty bottles on the floor. Another year's gone by, and I was thinking once again, How can I take this losing hand and somehow win? Just give me One Good Year To get my feet back on the ground. I've been chasing grace; Grace ain't so easily found One bad hand can devil a man, chase him and carry him down. I've got to get out of here, just give me One Good Year!

09-10-2003, 09:33 PM	#22
Black Breathalizer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 828	People, you need to pay attention!!! The ringwraiths have a keen scene of smell and poor sight. They sense the ring WHEN FRODO PUTS IT ON OR IS CLOSE TO PUTTING IT ON!!!! Examples: The black rider scene: The rider only begins to sense the ring as Frodo gets closer and closer to putting it on. The riders know where the ring is the exact moment that Frodo puts on the ring in Bree. The riders see Frodo when he puts on the ring on Weathertop. The Nazgul senses something in the area of the swamp as Frodo struggles to keep from putting on the ring. He leaves once Sam helps Frodo. The Nazgul sense something in Ogiliath as Frodo struggles to keep from putting on the ring (THE SAME as in the book's Morgul Valley). He leaves when Sam helps Frodo.

09-25-2003, 09:29 PM	#29
Evenstar1400 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the inner depths of my lair. Posts: 421	yeah, but aragorn could also be talking about sauron. i heard somewhere there might be a head to head battle between the two as a build up to the climax..... (i think its just to piss us fans off and to see how long aragorn can last against sauron before he gets squished like a pancake.) then again, i could be wrong. sauron needs the ring to have a body and if he doesnt have a body he cant go against aragorn. but then again, aragorn could be talking about a mental challenge, like what he did in the palantir. or i could be entirely wrong. i just cant wait to see the battle on the pelannor fields. i read in an article its supposed to make helms deep look like "a hobbit family picnic." yay! __________________ Treebeard: Hmm, you look like hobbits, smell like hobbits, feel like hobbits and sound like hobbits. You must be orcs!

09-27-2003, 05:34 AM	#30
Entlover Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 463	It just occured to me, thinking about that totally senseless scene with the fell beast in Osgiliath, that the Nazgul sensed but did not see the ring, BUT the fell beast saw the ring -- though not being any more intelligent than a rutabaga it tried to grab it but could not communicate it's findings to the Nazgul, and then it's attention was distracted by being shot by Faramir.

09-27-2003, 06:30 AM	#31
The Gaffer Elf Lord Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: In me taters Posts: 3,288	Arwen slays the Witch-King Imagine that. He he he. Mass walkout of entire fan-base. Good points about the Osgiliath ring-waving incident. I suppose it's conceivable that Sauron didn't know there was more than one hobbit. Methinks PJ had been at me home brew when that bit was scripted, but I'm pleased to see reports that they're going to make more out of Pippin and Aragorn using the Palantir.

09-27-2003, 10:20 AM	#32
Elvengirl Mirthful Maiden Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Rivendell Posts: 1,252	Doesn't Miranda Otto say that she had read and copied all of Eowyn/Dernhelm's lines from the book and kept them with her so as to fully learn, understand, and become her character. Per that it sounds like (I hope) her part will be pretty accurate to the book, that her lines will be the same. It does look like the Dunedain will not be in The Paths of the Dead, which will be dissappointing, but how can Jackson remove them? Their role is essential to winning the battle at Pelennor. Who'd show up to save the day? But then again at Helm's Deep Jackson added the Elven army so who knows what could happen. I can't wait to see how Merry and Pippin are going to be, if they are going to mature into little warriors. Oh, and Shelob should be wicked and Frodo and Sam, and Gandalf, and the confrontation with Saruman, and the Grey Havens, and oh,....... everything. Overall it looks like it will be very good. We'll have to wait and see. I'm excited! __________________ The Elves represent, as it were, the artistic, aesthetic, and purely scientific aspects of the Humane nature raised to a higher level than is actually seen in Men.~ J.R.R. Tolkien Wanna play? www.thievesguild.com

09-28-2003, 01:05 PM	#33
Evenstar1400 Elven Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In the inner depths of my lair. Posts: 421	(as counted on LOTR TT 2003 wall calendar) exactly... 80 days till ROTK!!!!!!!!! yay!!! __________________ Treebeard: Hmm, you look like hobbits, smell like hobbits, feel like hobbits and sound like hobbits. You must be orcs!

10-07-2003, 11:26 AM	#34
*Valandil* High King at Annuminas Administrator Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Wyoming - USA Posts: 10,752	Those of you concerned about Aragorn's challenge... not to worry. It's about a direct quote from the book, "Too long has he gone unchallenged since he returned to his tower" (or something like that) about 2/3rds of the way thru chapter "The Last Debate". It does refer to Aragorn's use of the palantir - revealing himself to Sauron and wresting control of the sphere from him. I, er... DON'T have the whole thing memorized, but had recently re-read ROTK to get myself tuned in for the upcoming third movie. Ahhh... you know, I didn't used to think so - but more and more, I see lembas as a kind of chocolate-chip cookie... maybe even, "baked in magic ovens in an elf factory" - but that's dating myself. Go Cubs!!! (can I say that here?)

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