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I remember learning about this in 8th grade American history---
In a Christian school, my wonderful teacher credited it to an act of God to save the American army.
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Mithrandir - thanks.
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Valandil and Mercutio - this is what I got back concerning "The Crossing" documentary - or as John, the historian at the Princeton Battlefield calls it - "comedy"
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Thank you very much! Just goes to show you can't trust every internet source...
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I had to change what I said caused the Mercer Oak to collapse - it's the Oak Tree the wounded Hugh Mercer lied under while wounded. I had heard it collapsed because of high wind and all that. Actually it collapsed from old age with only a light wind. I asked John to look over my webpage for Princeton Battlefield to make sure it was all correct and that was one thing I had wrong. Also - one of the things I always get mixed up on was whether the crossing was Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. At our last board meeting we discussed that and how it is so often misreported that it was Christmas Eve,
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Valadil - Here is Thomas Paine's "These are the Times that Try Men Souls".
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Anyway - when you said Valley Forge - I was thinking of the "harsh" winter Valley Forge. Quote:
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BTW - notice how Thomas Paine says "The Jerseys" - this was because New Jersey was for most of history up to that time two colonies - East (northern NJ) and West (southern) Jersey. The dividing line was a diaganol through the state - from just north of Tuckerton to just south of the NJ/NY/PA border in the northwest. It was called the Lawrence Line and was established in 1743. Even though the two Jersey's were united in 1703 there was still a sense of division.
The The Board of East Proprietors Corporation - one of the oldest corporation in the US - was not even disbanded until 1998. Now West Jersey Council of Propietors is the oldest corporation in the US. As of 2000 West Jersey Council of Proprietors was still in business - managing the unclaimed lands in NJ. After the revolution PA and NY wanted to claim the two Jerseys for themselves. PA wanted West Jersey and NY wanted East Jersey. Obviously New Jersey fought and won this battle.
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(EDIT: - I should actually start as far south as Savannah, GA - if I have the time (otherwise that could be a stopover if we ever do one of those Florida/Disney trips)... nice historic downtown district! ) Last edited by Valandil : 04-28-2004 at 09:49 AM. |
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[list=1][*]Telephone Area codes (609 & 201); 609 covers Southern NJ including Mercer County and Ocean County somewhere south of Toms River/Beachwood Area, but north of Tuckerton; 201 would cover everything else North. (I may be a little off with the exact boundaries, but you should understand the general idea) Today there are many more area codes (609 broken up into some zones and 201 broken up into more zones)[*]Television, radio, media; New York City media tends to dominate Nothern New Jersy and Philadelphia media tends to dominate Southern New Jersy with a similar dividing line as with the phone Area Codes[/list=1] The above are just two areas that can be easily seen as ways that NJ is divided.
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http://www.westjersey.org Here is the original dividing line. The line up at the north of New Jersey which is now NY - was New Jersey's ORIGINAL border with NY before they STOLE our land. This is the dividing line between north and south Jersey today -
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However, I would modify it a little. I would include most of Mercer County as being part of South Jersey and most of Northern Ocean County as being part of North Jersey. This I base on my experience of how things work (Media, phone company, and the people I know that live in the various parts of the state)
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Jerseydevil, you said that Washington was in charge of all the revolutionary armies, doesn't that make him a Field Marshal rather than a General?
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Even today, we have five levels of generals - denoted by # of stars. A Brigadier General has one star, a Major General has two, a Lieutenant General has three, four stars denotes someone who is simply 'General' and five stars is 'General of the Armies' I believe. No Field Marshal. Washington may have had that latter designation, but I'm not sure if all those levels were in use 225 years ago. (EDIT: - and I think only a handful have ever had that rank of 5-stars... anyone know for sure??) Last edited by Valandil : 04-28-2004 at 11:39 AM. |
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I make the same mistake all the time saying I-195 instead of I-95. [edited to make last line sound clearer]
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