09-05-2006, 10:38 PM | #21 |
Domesticated Swing Babe
Join Date: May 2002
Location: Reality
Posts: 5,340
|
Oh well.....I really should be TCB too ...
__________________
Happy Atheist Go Democrats! |
09-06-2006, 08:50 AM | #22 | |
Hoplite Nomad
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 3,931
|
Quote:
Lizra you got it. I think most have. Too bad the kid did not. He probably wouldn't even check out the critical thinking site that would sharpen his skills. But alas. I think he may have even missed the complement I gave him. Spock I think we will have some Hewa - hay wa ( sorry sensei my Romanji is rusty) Well actually it really sucks.
__________________
About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. Last edited by afro-elf : 09-06-2006 at 09:03 AM. |
|
09-06-2006, 10:45 AM | #23 | |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,476
|
Quote:
I'm not sure what you're trying to say. 茶、コーヒー、為, any of those I'm up for.
__________________
Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." |
|
09-06-2006, 12:00 PM | #24 | |
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
It is also a relatively small proportion of the population loosely working together to keep down a relatively large portion. And the best way to change things is for the poor to use their leverage (numbers) to effect change in the rich's leverage (capital). The way to do this in a democracy is via wealth redistribution through progressive taxation. I'm not a big fan of giving people money. Plus, taking away money from the poor and then giving some of it back, which is basically what we do know, is terribly inefficient. Better to design a tax code that simply only takes money away from those who can afford it (i.e. incomes below the median simply do not pay taxes at all, while those above pay progressively more). This would make it possible for everyone to earn a fair living, while the most industrious could earn a good bit more, if not quite so excessive as today's highest incomes.
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
|
09-06-2006, 12:03 PM | #25 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,476
|
hmm, I don't agree with all of that but some sounds about right.
how about a national sales tax? I'm not in favor of the richest 1% paying almost 90% of taxes; as it is now.
__________________
Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." |
09-06-2006, 12:12 PM | #26 | |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: In me taters
Posts: 3,288
|
Quote:
Tax credits are a good way of achieving it at the low end, though the system they've introduced here is too complex. Sales taxes shift the tax burden towards poor people because there's only so many purchases a person can make in a day no matter how rich they are. Last edited by The Gaffer : 09-06-2006 at 12:13 PM. |
|
09-06-2006, 12:15 PM | #27 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,476
|
hmmm, well perhaps you'd agree to a 'flat tax'? that should favor the economically challenged.
__________________
Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." |
09-06-2006, 12:44 PM | #28 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: In me taters
Posts: 3,288
|
No, in our case it would favour the better off. I don't know what your current system is, I guess it varies from state to state, but I think the principles should be:
- people need a certain amount of income to live on, which should be tax-free - a low tax rate should apply to earning up to the median - a high tax rate should apply to earnings over the median The thing is that you have to be careful not to penalise the middle classes, as they are the most populous and, in spite of their comparative wealth, mortgaged up to the eyeballs. Unlike the very rich, who are the ones creaming the interest/rent off the rest. |
09-06-2006, 12:46 PM | #29 | |
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
Besides the fact that the richest 1% pay no where near 90% of US tax revenue.
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
|
09-06-2006, 12:55 PM | #30 | |
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
These are the current US income tax rates: Income from $1 to $7,300, tax bracket is 10% Income from $7,301 to $29,700, tax bracket is 15% Income from $29,701 to $71,950, tax bracket is 25% Income from $71,951 to $150,150, tax bracket is 28% Income from $150,151 to $326,450, tax bracket is 33% Income $326,451 and above, tax bracket is 35% One could easily argue that in most parts of the country, no one making under 30k can really afford to pay taxes at all (more for families). But instead of keeping things simple and adjusting the brackets, we set up all kinds of complicated credits and inefficient goverment programs to "give money back" to those who need it. Better to let them keep it and increase the burden on the people that need the extra income less. There is nothing wrong with a society where some people only make enough to live on and other people make much much more, and as long as the top bracket is short of 100%, there is always incentive to make more. But it's in everyone's interest to live in a society without too much poverty, or else other problems arise that threaten everyone, from rich to poor.
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
|
09-06-2006, 01:01 PM | #31 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: In me taters
Posts: 3,288
|
That seems sensible, though the rich are clearly having a laugh. Ours is:
- up to £5k ($9k) no tax - next 2k is at 10% - next 30k is at 22% - then it's 40% A more urgent thing would be to close the loopholes. Loads of really rich people, and businesses, pay no tax at all. Last edited by The Gaffer : 09-06-2006 at 01:03 PM. |
09-06-2006, 01:02 PM | #32 |
Hoplite Nomad
Join Date: Sep 2001
Posts: 3,931
|
Spock,
I was going for the word peace. Maybe Hei-wa? Maybe it depends on the Kanji. BTW I'm off on a cross country road trip so if anyone makes a direct reply to me on this tread after about 10:00 est time I;ll be gone for a week
__________________
About Eowyn, Does anyone know what her alias Dernhelm means? She was kown as dernhelm because of her exclaimation when she realized that the rider's headgear was heavy and obscured her sight. 'Dern Helm" Culled from Entmoot From Kirinski 57 and Wayfarer. |
09-06-2006, 01:23 PM | #33 | |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,476
|
Quote:
Kanji for Peace= 平和 it's also used for "harmony". BTW-A.E. and I know this is off topic
__________________
Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Last edited by Spock : 09-06-2006 at 01:24 PM. |
|
09-06-2006, 01:37 PM | #34 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,476
|
BJ, by your own post 35% is paid by the richer in the US.
The following may be of some help-----we're all getting off the main topic so expect someone to mention this. Bush Tax Cuts: The Burden Decreased for All Groups (More for some than others) Total Effective Federal Tax Rate 2004 Rates Change Due to Bush Cuts Lowest 20% 5.2% -1.5% Second 20% 11.1% -2.1% Middle 20% 14.6% -1.9% Fourth 20% 18.5% -2.1% Top 20% 23.8% -3.9% Top 5% 25.6% -5.2% Top 1% 26.7% -6.8% Share of Federal Tax Burden Lowest 20% 1.1% -0.1% Second 20% 5.2% -0.2% Middle 20% 10.5% +0.2% Fourth 20% 19.5% +0.7% Top 20% 63.5% -0.6% Top 5% 35.9% -1.5% Top 1% 20.1% -1.8% Source: Congressional Budget Office, "Effective Federal Tax Rates Under Current Law , 2001 to 2014," Tables 2, 4. Lastly, this from 'factcheck.org" The middle 20% of the population now pays 14.6% of their income for all federal taxes. That's a reduction of 1.9 percentage points as a result of the Bush cuts. And that group now pays 10.5% of all federal taxes, an increase of 0.2 percentage points. The top 1% of the population pays a much higher rate -- 26.7% of their income goes to pay federal taxes, on average. That's 6.8 percentage points less than they would have paid under the tax rules in effect when Bush took office, so Kerry's ad is quite right to say "the wealthiest are paying less." And their share of the total tax burden did also drop by 1.8 percentage points. But this most affluent one percent still pays more than 20% of all federal taxes. The lowest-earning 20% of the population now pays only 5.2% of their average incomes in federal taxes, down 1.5 percentage points due to the Bush cuts. This bottom group pays only 1.1% of all federal taxes, and their share of the burden dropped by 0.1 percentage point.
__________________
Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Last edited by Spock : 09-06-2006 at 01:39 PM. |
09-06-2006, 02:43 PM | #35 | |
Advocatus Diaboli
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Reality
Posts: 3,767
|
Quote:
But, assuming your numbers are correct, the 6% of the federal tax burden that the lowest 40% pay could be removed completely by adding a bit more burden to the upper 20%, burden that would hardly effect the upper income earners quality of life at all, while making a huge difference to those living at or below poverty.
__________________
Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever. |
|
09-06-2006, 03:05 PM | #36 | |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,476
|
Quote:
__________________
Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." |
|
09-06-2006, 03:11 PM | #37 |
The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium)
Posts: 14,363
|
If I remember right in remembering that the highest tax bracket here is 55%, I think your rich people can count themselves lucky.
__________________
We are not things. |
09-06-2006, 03:23 PM | #38 |
An enigma in a conundrum
Join Date: Oct 1999
Posts: 6,476
|
help granted
Residents of Belgium are subject to personal income tax on their total income from all sources. Taxation on a sliding scale is applied to successive portions of net taxable income. Rates in 2005 vary between 0% and 50%.
Residents also pay municipal taxes at rates that vary between 0% and 9% of the total income tax payable. Non-residents have to pay a similar additional tax at a rate of 7% of the total income tax payable. Certain expatriates who satisfy conditions outlined in paragraphs 18 to 22 are considered fiscally as 'non-resident' and come under a special taxation regime. They are liable to pay Belgium tax only on income connected with professional duties carried out in Belgium.
__________________
Vizzini: "HE DIDN'T FALL?! INCONCEIVABLE!!" Inigo: "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." |
09-06-2006, 03:52 PM | #39 |
The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium)
Posts: 14,363
|
Oh yes, now I remember. It's the French that have 55%, which is why Belgium is a prime destination these last years for rich Frenchmen that try to evade the higher French tax...
(Not that this had anything to do with the topic, I realise now. Rather random info. Ignore this and carry on. )
__________________
We are not things. |
02-20-2007, 12:45 PM | #40 |
Master of Orchestration President Emeritus of Entmoot 2004-2008
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: Lost in the Opera House
Posts: 9,328
|
__________________
ACALEWIA- President of Entmoot hectorberlioz- Vice President of Entmoot Acaly und Hektor fur Presidants fur EntMut fur life! Join the discussion at Entmoot Election 2010. "Stupidissimo!"~Toscanini The Da CINDY Code The Epic Poem Of The Balrog of Entmoot: Here ~NEW! ~ Thinking of summer vacation? AboutNewJersey.com - NJ Travel & Tourism Guide |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
The N-word and ghetto sadness/stupidity | afro-elf | General Messages | 95 | 08-15-2006 07:32 PM |