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Wow... and the poor guy just wanted to discuss methods
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domesticated animals are bred to be slaughtered... they would not exist were it not for our consumption... wild animals came about on their own and have there own kind of community and interaction... they may not be quite human, but watch some nature programs about wolf packs or bear families and it's hard to think of them as "just animals" anymore i don't think it should be illegal... i just have a very hard time understanding the "fun" in it... but i do know people i respect who enjoy it quite a bit... i think it is mostly a "how you grew up" kind of thing (like most things in life)... if you grow up around hunters, you hunt... if not, you probably don't
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Wildlife control, yes that would be a viable reason in my eyes. To kill predators to protect cattle and life-stock, less but still acceptable. But it is too often used as an excuse to wipe out all predators men can gun down. I have seen situations that have made my blood boil: the wolves in France, the bears in the Pyrenneans. There are very often other, usuable ways to protect domestic animals. Granted not always and they usually involve some more work. Sometimes there is sadly no other way than to shoot the wild predators. But it should never be the first option. In my opinion wild animals are more than just meals on legs like their domestic bred counterparts sometimes are. Wild animals have a certain survival instinct, that's why it's hard introducing animals in the wild, they have to learn so many things to survive. Most predators can never hunt unless they were taught by their mother. Some animals need a family group to be able to function correctly. One can relatively easy replace a lost herd of cattle. One can far less easily replace a wild population of animals. I think certain wild populations are too valuable to be merely a past-time food source for hunters.
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acran merns got a point the guy wanted to know what kind of gun or bow you prefer and your point about protecting livestock is valid as well I have horses and i also have the legal right to shoot any animals that would bother them ( luckily haven't had to yet) but technically thats not what you would call hunting that really self defense
and billy the only hunting i do is shoot varmints which is a way to have fun and help the environment got rats in your apartment? a .22 shot shell works great ![]()
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I must confess, I wouldn't have a problem with your coming over to our block and blowing the heads off a few of our rats.
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In Finland, we don't have enough big predators to keep the moose populations under control. People have a strange hate towards wolves, so they haven't had the chance to found a proper population. This is why they have to hunt moose and deer and so on; there is no natural control, and there has to be some sort of it, otherwise it won't be good for nature. I would rather see that they'd give wolves and lynx a better chance to do the controlling though.
Still, if I'd eat meat, I'd prefer that from animals who have led a life in nature, than meat from the meat industry - I find that sickening. I don't support hunting, but there's no way to stop it just like that, since it's been going on for quite a while now, and we're not talking about just a few animals. Stopping the hunting of moose completely, and still not letting populations of predators grow stronger would be disastrous. At least here in Finland.
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Farmed food animals deserve respect and compassion, too. They musn't be forced to live their little lives in terrible, terrible conditions - not when they are literally giving the gift of their very EXISTENCE as a farm animal to us humans. Everything, everything that lives has a right to exist, otherwise it wouldn't exist, right? ![]() anyway... I'm having problems trying to articulate today... I hate ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]()
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I think Mr. Ghandi makes an interesting point...
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meerkats, Loteese; most obscure reference....oh, and crocks don't jump
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Here in Pennsylvania, the Game Commission carefully regulates the number of doe ("antlerless" deer) licenses, I'm not sure about buck ("antlered"); I'm sure they do it for other animals. For any species there are specific times of day and days of the year when one can hunt. Deer season is around Thanksgiving time. They pick this because it is most compatable with the deer's life cycle...not during mating season, not when there are little deer-lings (fawns I suppose). There are also different regulations depending on archery, certain types of guns, etc. For example, one can hunt deer with a bow and arrow in a greater window of time than with a gun. It's a lot harder with a bow and arrow and a lot less people do it, hence they get more time. There are limits of how many deer (1), squirrel, pheasant, etc. With fish there are size minimums, too. It's not cheap for the folks involved either. For example, to fish in PA (out of state for me) I had to pay over US$60 for a license. Some of my relatives who hunt in PA have to pay around a US$100 for a deer license (doe/buck separately). And they only really hunt for the first week or so of the season. The game commission heavily regulates licenses. For example, they only started allowing people to hunt doe in the last few years, due to the fact that they were getting a bit plentiful. This year, they cut back the number of licenses they give by 40%. Why? To keep the number of deer at the perfect level. Quote:
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