05-26-2002, 01:15 PM | #21 |
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right im not even gonna try and understand that
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05-26-2002, 01:20 PM | #22 |
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What's there to understand? By bringing/helping to bring the dark side to the fore, he is counterbalancing to good side, ie like the scales of justice.
Of course, it could be that he brings balance by destroying first the good side, and THEN the bad side (Jedi massacre (pure speculation here), and then the Emperor, and being "saved".) OR, it could be that he brings balance by having Luke and Leia. Both of which act in the rebellion in a HUGE way. Luke by saving Anakin, and Leia by acting as the catalyst, and helming the rebellion....
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Well, if he kills most of the Jedi, what are left are Yoda and Obi Wan for the good side and him and th Emperor on the Dark. The first 2 join with the force and he kills the Emperor and then has a change of heart and joins the force as well.
Perhaps it could be that most of the force (residing in midichlorians) is now (except for Luke and Leia) liberated from any controlling Jedi or Sith to spread from living thing to living thing.
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When they bagan talking about that balance in Epi I I immediately thought that too -- the scales seemed tipped to the side of good guys, so balance would mean tipping it toward the dark side. So I thought why would they want to train a guy in the Jedi arts who has that as his destiny? Then I thought well maybe they hoped to mold him to the good side before the dark side could claim him. These were just my random thoughts on the matter. I had also thought of the Luke/Leia thing, but I han't thought about the killing of the Emperor -- that's a good theory. But that still doesn't go with what I would see as "balance". Hmm.
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Interesting theory about balance. But the Force is not just the Jedi, they are “only” wielders of the Force. The Jedi may work towards the Light side, but were their influence upon the Republic so pervasive that it made it clearly unbalanced towards the Light side?
For what I saw in the movies I’m under the impression that that is not the case. Even with their numbers they seem to be hard pressed to avoid the Republic fall into anarchy.
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Very good point -- I think you're right, it means all of the
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Nononono! you got it all wrong...! Vader brings the force back into balance by killing the all powerful Emperor, and by returning to the Light Side at the same time. This destroys the Dark Side at sets the force into balance because now there is no more fighiting, no more evil. Now because there is only one 'team' one the force, its balanced. Now because there is no Dark Side fighting aginst them, all the Good jedi have it balanced. Its kinda like one of those common sence things.... no im just kidding. But really thats how it is with the balance.
on the Sifa-Dias note. If it was Qui-Gon, well that wouldn't work. it was one SIFA-DIAS not Qui-Gon Jinn! We'll just have to wait and see exactly who it is. Though if it WAS Qui-Gon that would be quite interesting! |
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I thought count Dooku used the name of the dead Sifo Dyas to convince the Kaminoans they were building the clone army for the republic. Jango Fett was hired by a guy called Tyranus and at the end Darth Sidous calls count Dooku Tyranus. So I think Dooku arranged everything to get Darth Sidious an army.
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Another thought- What if sifo-dyas is who count dooku was before he left the jedi order?
He's supposed to be dead... but then again, so was anakin. What if he slipped off and took another name?
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My thought is that the balance is the jedi who will restore peace and the chosen one is luke, so the council are misstaking.
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Of chorse one theory that has not been brought up is that perhaps the jedi are not the good guys but insted trying to acheve balance.
That would explain why the sith (Defanate bad-guys) are such a threat, why the jedi side of things is never refered to in the movies as 'the light side', and why the jedi are never the agressors. I kinda like this theory becuase that would mean there would be light-side wielders, likely mistaken for sith due to their agressive pursuit of ending the sith. (Realy that doesn't work that well)
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This is the deeper meaning in SW, its beyond good and evil, it totally fits this post modern world we live in, now the whole pattern is more visible in the EU, but given how the force is a blend of eastern tao, and Aurelius's LOGOS I would say thats where Lucas was going. If you look at the entire history (of SW) you see this vicious circle, the Sith come to power and dominate then the Jedi destroy the Sith, or almost destroy them, then the sith come back, as far as I can tell the force was only in balance for the few hours that only two of each order existed.
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Well, you know this all depends on your point of view... So, Qui-Gon could have gone undercover and gotten the Kaminoins(sp) to make a Clone Army. If I remember correctly, Qui-Gon could have been on the Council except for the fact that he was too unpredictable. He did not always follow the Council's orders. I'm just thinking in my own little box over here.
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I think Jabba was Sifo-Dyas. There's no other logical explanation.
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BUT Jabba was not a Jedi and the Kaminoians said that it was a Jedi Master that ordered the clones. I may just give up on trying to figure out who Sifo-Dyas is.
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Qui-Gon didn't order the army. It isn't common for people to just go around buying armies, much less a Jedi who doesn't know what it's going to be used for. That I think is very unwise action, and I don't think Qui-Gon was that stupid.
Besides, when in doubt, go to Wookiepedia! http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sifo_dias
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