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ooooh, then here's a bit from LoB that you'll like - it's Hurin before Morgoth's throne:
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Then from version 2, I like this slightly modified bit, with the little description of Hurin's hair, and how he was able to look Morgoth in the eye and no one has since. Quote:
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12-14-2005, 01:32 PM | #22 |
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No need, I already have it. I bought three big volumes which have all of HoME included.
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12-14-2005, 01:56 PM | #23 |
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Wow! You lucky guy Anyway, I hope you like those little bits about Hurin - I really like them.
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R*an, The Lays of Beleriand rocks!! My very first and favourite piece of HoME. I wanted to buy it soo badly after I've read fragments of The Lay of Leithian (that's what the internet exists fooor! ), and realized that the poems in the Sil, in the story of Beren & lúthien, are only short parts of it... (And, now coming to think of it, the only parts ever translated into Hungarian. With the translation of HoME, they're stuck after vols. 1-2.) Quote:
And I'm impressed, Ainulindalë at 11... I was 17, and even though I didn't have problems reading, it took a time to love those chapters too. Edit: eek, I just realize I was almost completely off-topic... *runs and hides*
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I've just started re-reading The Silmarillion. I've read it through at least once before - and re-read different parts several times, but this is only my second (maybe my third?? not sure) time going straight through.
I'm just taking my time. Read the forward information, including the one letter, over the weekend. Then read "Ainulindale" yesterday and "Valaquenta" today. In these early parts, when I read about the Valar first working in Ea and Arda - and the mention of how they had seen visions of what the Children of Illuvatar looked like, and copied those outer forms, but with greater majesty (something like that) - it makes me think of those "Coors" commercials with the gigantic young men and women playing around among the Rocky Mountains.
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Just a quick note: in the commentary on the first section of the Annals of Aman, it is stated that, though the shapes of the valar were tall, they were not gigantic.
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Landroval - just curious, where is that commentary? At least I don't think I have it in my copies of the Sil - but I just have a couple paperbacks.
In the earliest parts of the book though, they SOUND like they're just immense! In the days before the Children of Iluvatar actually appear.
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Landroval’s statement sounds much like Tolkien’s description of Sauron in Letter 246:
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Here it is:
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My impression was influenced by the end of "Ainulindale":
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The other references you mention - where they are taller than the Children of Iluvatar but not gigantic - those are all after the Children of Iluvatar come.
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Ulmo too is given a rather terrifying description in the Silmarillion:
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I think all these references by my friend Landroval and Valandil only suggests to me that the Valar for the most part where not gigantic in form though still impressive. The exceptions being Morgoth due to his arrogance and Ulmo's gigantic size could be a result of the nature of his role, due to the element inwhich he gave the most thought to and which he ultimatley governs within middle-earth. Water is immense and violently uncontrollable, taking up 70% of the surface of middle earth if the fact that middle-earth is fashioned after earth itself is to be believed.
I think that any form Ulmo would assume would reflect the cantankerous nature of the oceans, rivers and seas.
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I almost wonder if the size of the forms they took varied - depending upon which part of the account. I almost picture them as larger in the earlier parts. There's really nothing firm textually that I can base that on - it's just the impression I get.
From today's reading: I had forgotten that the Two Trees seem to have gender. Telperion is called "he" and Laurelin is called "she". Interesting - because I remembered that the Elves think of the Moon as a "he" and the Sun as a "she" - the inverse of my own cultural impressions. And - since Telperion seems more like the Moon, and Laurelin more like the Sun, it's easy to see why the Elves consider the Sun and Moon as they do. I had also forgotten about how Men, by their will, could shape their lives beyond the Music of the Ainur - which was like Fate to everything else in Arda. Wow - Men must've thrown the Valar for quite a loop! No wonder they stuck with the Elves and avoided Men like they did. I had forgotten too that the Elves thought Men most reminded them of Melkor, of all the Ainur. Silly Elves.
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Perhaps Ulmo's terrible aspect adds to the his perceived height...
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I had forgotten that point as well, fascinating really. Brought back some good memories from my first impressions of the book and the signficants and true role of man. A key part of tolkiens message to his readers I had origianlly thought, and at the heart of the apllicability of his works. Whatever happens in this world, it is up to us, it really is up to us to make it happen.
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I had put the book on hold for awhile, but lately I've been back to it in full force. I read it about my whole trip on the el each day, to and from work - and sometimes a little over lunch - so I get in at least 1 1/2 hours per weekday, up to 2.
Wow! I feel like I'm getting so much more out of it the second time around. I guess I have a better sense of the characters and story as a whole, so I don't miss quite so much. I'm in the middle of the story of Beren and Luthien now (is that about the longest chapter?). And... I see better why the Sun is "she" and the Moon is "he" - that has to do with Arien and Tilion.
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One of the best books ever. Nothing more really needs be said about it. Read the Silmarillion, or you're missing out on a big chuck of Tolkien's mythology.
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Beor! Hello!!!!! How's the family?
Val - That's great that you get such a solid chunk of time for reading it! It definitely gets better with each read. Next thing you know, you'll have all the HoME books ... (they're caallllllling you!!!)
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