02-12-2006, 08:19 PM | #21 |
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Hah, I wish I could come out and be done with it. But if I do, I'll be given the good old boot and have all that would be my measley inheritance (none left, really, thanks to the misadventures of my brothers') and what love adn affection my family has will be tossed out the window. And right now, I cant afford that because I have no where to go and am trying to get through college,so, I keep my silence.
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02-13-2006, 08:09 AM | #22 |
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Sorry to hear that. It must be very frustrating, but I can well understand how the time has to be right for coming out to your family. If it's any consolation, I have seen several friends go through the process without adverse outcomes, contrary to their expectations.
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Age of Consent for Straight AND Gay - 16 Buy Cigarettes - 16 Play the Lottery - 16 Provisional Driver's Licence (drive a moped with L plates, learn to drive car) - 16 Full Driver's Licence - 17 Buy Alcohol - 18 Vote - 18 Stand for Election - 21 |
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02-13-2006, 12:43 PM | #24 |
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LCOU, that's just confusing thanks for sharing that with us Yanks, etc.
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02-13-2006, 06:41 PM | #25 |
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Well, I've tried to tentatively approach the subject with both my mother and father, and the vehemence tossed my way will knock me back to the beginning of the week. I dont think anything postive will be comming their way once this gets out.
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02-13-2006, 06:58 PM | #26 |
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i was lucky in that my mum was quite pro-individuality, although i still had, and still have, my dad to deal with, who isn't really quite happy with me being who i am
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02-13-2006, 10:38 PM | #27 |
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Do I know how that is. I cant be who I am around them. At least not fully. I'm hiding, and I hate that feeling.
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02-15-2006, 08:20 AM | #28 |
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Obviously you know your parents best, but it might be that they are rebuffing subtle attempts to approach the topic in the hope that it will just go away and not be an issue.
In other news, gay marriage is good for you: (story from BBC) http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4708710.stm Last edited by The Gaffer : 02-15-2006 at 08:22 AM. |
02-16-2006, 02:27 PM | #29 |
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Hah! Well, the article makes sense. It aint a walk in the park, and is certainly stressful to say the least.
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02-16-2006, 05:45 PM | #30 |
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Never mind.....
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02-17-2006, 02:58 PM | #31 |
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er, no one's made any jokes...
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02-19-2006, 01:12 AM | #32 |
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Nvm it was deleted.
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02-19-2006, 11:12 AM | #33 | |
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02-19-2006, 11:15 AM | #34 |
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I think that the idea of "age of consent" is a totally ridiculus idea. Puberty, not law, decides when young people can and will be interested in having sex.
I do support some restrictions on age difference to prevent rape of young people by people who have power Last edited by The Wizard from Milan : 02-19-2006 at 09:20 PM. |
02-19-2006, 11:35 AM | #35 | |
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More spcifically about the law, check your contry's law. In Italy each parent must leave 2/3 of his/her inheritance to his/her children, to be subdivided in equal parts among the children. A parent may not legally deprive one of his/her child of the minimum slice of inheritance determined above (unless the child has been legally condemned for attacking the parent physically,...). Last edited by The Wizard from Milan : 02-19-2006 at 11:41 AM. |
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02-19-2006, 03:23 PM | #36 |
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That is certainly not so where I came from. It's pretty much up to them where the money goes. I'm screwed.
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02-20-2006, 06:50 AM | #37 |
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I disagree that sexual maturity is wholly determined by puberty. I think that a person's ability to make an informed choice about their sexual behaviour may well come well after they grow pubes.
I know many people (all girls) who were abused by older men while they were still under age but outwardly mature. At the time, they thought they were in a mature relationship; lots of them thought their boyfriend had "problems" and they were helping him. Later on in life they realised that they were being abused. Last edited by The Gaffer : 02-20-2006 at 06:57 AM. |
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I strongly, strongly believe in protecting children and teenagers from adults. Yet I don't see any logical relationship between drawing a line at age x under which any sexual contact is rape and protecting young people from rape. There is just no such logical relationship. The line makes such that some consensual activity is punished and some abuse activity is condoned (although, hopefully the latter is covered by other statutes). I do see such a logical relationship if you set the line at puberty (that is different for each person although it clusters around certain ages). I am not saying that drawing the line at puberty is the only protection that we should give to young people. To the contrary! I think that the statues against rape should be enforced way more vigorously. What I don't agree with is to define rape any sexual activity that occurs in post-puberty people under age x. I think that you have to expect as part of their normal development that some people after puberty will engage in sexual exploration. I think that authomatically defining that as rape is just another type of abuse that adults do to young people. Last edited by The Wizard from Milan : 02-20-2006 at 11:42 AM. |
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02-20-2006, 11:44 AM | #39 |
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Yes, you are probably right there on both counts. Clearly, some people are OK to do it at 14 or 15 while others aren't.
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Anyway, here is a first shot: 1. all involved minors should be given a state paid lawyers and a state paid psychologist who works independently of the family of origin 2. there should be no presumption of rape if the age difference is less than 3 years 3. there should always be presumption of rape if the allegations involve a parent and a child Last edited by The Wizard from Milan : 02-20-2006 at 03:13 PM. |
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