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Why is Fingon better than Turgon?
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You may want to stand back Gordis, this could get slimy.
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02-19-2006, 09:32 PM | #24 |
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or violent, very violent (so long as no one mentions finrod or feanor we'll be ok)
on a serious note, though, gondolin produced far greater things (eg earendil for a start!) than nargothrond, dontcha think? |
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Of course, according to the Orodreth Theory of Parentage, Nargothrond could be said to have produced Gil-Galad.
So... Gil-Galad vs. Earendil this time? I don't think we've had that debate yet.
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oh my, what have i started? *flees in terror*
although it could be argued that nargothrond produced celebrimbor, and thusly the rings, and so nargothrond can be blamed for sauron's rise to power... |
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But if it also produced Gil-Galad then it was responsible for both his rise and fall. One must also consider that Finrod faced off against Sauron long before rings came into the picture.
Then again, since the line of Elros produced Ar-Pharazon and Isildur, and Elros was a son of Earnedil and thus a product of Gondolin one could argue that both cities were indirectly responsible for Sauron's rise to power. (Mwaha! )
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yes, but gondolin was way more beautiful (see maedhros's post above) mwahaha
and anyway, wlros was also elwing's son, so menegroth was the cause of numenor's fall, and sauron re-arising mwahahahaha |
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Ah but we never really get a full description of Nargothrond, Finrod wasn't known for having shabby taste in interior decorating, for all we know it could have been gorgeous.
Though admittedly, Gondolin is hard to beat. Course, Menegroth was supposed to be pretty shiny lookwise as well. Really, if we go by looks or blame we could argue in circles for all eternity, which is something best left to the immortal residents of the cities in question.
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like myself, for i am turgon
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And I'm Glorfindel's ward.
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Yeah, I would guess. Hopefully you wont be rained on. Anyways, I vote Nargothrond. I never liked Gondolin. Haven for traitors and the like. Yuck.
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My first thought was Nargothrond, actually. I was kinda surprised when everyone was going with Gondolin. It was probably because of some sort of bias towards Finrod though.
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True, but Tolkien liked the word 'fair' a whole lot, he describes nearly everything having to do with elves as 'fair', 'more fair' or 'fairest' at least once.
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Awww, couldn't you at least have left me the illusion?
But you're right. It's just like how Tolkien gave characteristics like 'most valiant', 'most noble', 'best', 'greatest' etc... to several different warriors.
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In spite of the beauty of all of them, a kingdom is only as good as the king who rules it. While Finrod lived, Nargothrond was instrumental in holding back the enemy. The Guarded Plain protected a large area, and Minas Tirith guarded the Fen of Serech. With the aid of Finrod and permission of Thingol to dwell in his lands, the Haladin defended the Crossings of Teiglin. Nargothrond under Finrod's rule, maintained a policy of secrecy. Not until Orodreth did the people of Nargothrond fight more openly by building the bridge across the Narog where armies issued forth for a few years. The failure to destroy the bridge in time and foolishly meeting the enemy in open battle at Tumhalad caused the destruction and downfall of this kingdom.
Many believe that Turgon's policy of secrecy was so great, that he isolated himself and his people from the rest of the kingdoms, creating his inability to be of any defensive aid. Not until the Nirneath, did Gondolin come out of hiding. The problem with Turgon is that he became prideful of Gondolin and uncaring of the outside world, failing to heed the messangers of Ulmo, resulting in it's downfall.
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