Battle of Helms Deep - Page 2

arawn · 07-12-2002, 07:13 PM

i say what is wrong with 45 mins of battle
P.S I'm not a violent person. Reeeeeaally

Andúril · 07-16-2002, 04:24 AM

After watching movies such as Saving Private Ryan, I think that a period of about 30 minutes of continuous battle could work quite well.

viggosbeard · 07-16-2002, 05:02 AM

do you think 30 minutes of modern warefare would equate to 45 mins of middle earth orc slaughter - if helms deep lasts 30 mins them pellenor will be about 2 hours worth ! more battles - more blood and guts - more rows of orc necks !

northsuperior · 07-16-2002, 08:33 PM

i am at a loss as to how Haldir and Co. are introduced into the plot pre H.D.??
I guess haldir and co will kind of be replacing the grey companys arrival albiet before the battle .
Other than just showing up they must be playing some kind of role crucial to the plot, perhaps bearing messages for Aragorn?bringing the Banner perhaps or Narsil reforged ( i dont think so he uses the rangers sword at the battle)
so what gives any ideas.????
Further reinforcning that premise is that fact that if they are wiped out they must have something better to do than just show up and die.
As we know Halbarad the leader of the grey company passes anway in the book at the battle of the Pelennor, Haldir will be doing stepping into that part ofHalbarads role too.
tsk tsk poor haldir thats what you get for playing around to much with bow and not practicing your swordsmanship so fellow posters any ideas as to what role these guys play or are they just cannon fodder or should i say uruk fodder??

Rei · 07-16-2002, 09:53 PM

I think that perhaps they will be showing up (lead by Arwen of course

) to bring Aragorn his standard and the reforged shards of Narsil.

viggosbeard · 07-17-2002, 03:59 AM

Im at a bit of a loss over the elves turning up, other than being sent by Galadriel as some sort of elvish support , doing their bit etc. Something i did read last night though, Legolas' conversation with Gimli, something like " what i wouldnt give for 100 Elvish archers blah blah blah" - I think this needs some serious thought , but it must have something to do with escorting Arwen to meet Aragorn , more suggestions please !!!

Peredhel · 07-19-2002, 01:06 PM

A forty-five battle scene will be awesome, especially since I've seen the snippets from the seige of Helm's Deep.

I must say that elves from Lorien being in this battle is very surprising. Wonder how much of the storyline Mr. Jackson changed to bring the Wood-elves to Anglarond. Perhaps Celeborn wields the bow in the scene?

northsuperior · 07-19-2002, 09:05 PM

now i might be a sapling and all but the lore of LOTR is nothing new to this 20 time reader fanatic.....
anywho....while i think its kinda neat that elves are at helms deep , sa role that may be addressing the quote that legolas said wishing he had some of his "folk" with bows there .
why are these elves their otherthan being spear fodder for the uruk hai??
they must be delivering something the Grey Compny ( who seems to be out)a message or items . I think the banner is gonzo so its either a message or Anduril, but Aragaorn is using the ranger sword at the battle or so thats what i see on the battlement during the teaser.
And hes leading these elves that clear ther is no Celeborn present.
now there seems to be some snippets of scenes with galadriel and Elrond floating around that, were not in the FOTR, not to mention some of arwen and galadriel too.
so... does this give us some clues as to what will happens i think....so!!
Ok so elrond and galadriel confer methinks that the Aragron reclaiming his role ass heir of Isildur is going to be addressed .
I bet Elrond sends help in the form of Elves and they bear a message fopr him to reclaim the thron of Gondor and to show his presence to Sauron via the palantir.
(OR they are secnes dealing with arwen becoming mortal and binding her fate with that of Aragron aka luthien/ beren story which insiders know PJ is keen on following.......)

but i digress,....
Thus when Denethor's madness via use of the palantir becomes apprerent,he can also whine about Gandalf bringing this upstart ranbger to supplant him, aka the storyline via The ROTK.
whatda ya think??

northsuperior · 07-19-2002, 09:07 PM

ni i ma not 10, ( as ten year old would do better) but i was in a hurry see ya

northsuperior · 07-19-2002, 10:35 PM

viggosbeard · 07-20-2002, 06:41 AM

that pipe weed must be good in Ontario !!

Sween · 07-20-2002, 05:33 PM

ok this is how i have heard and believe the elvs been at helm will play into the film.

The Rivendale elves will move from Rivendale to Lorien for safty this kinda makes sence rivendales not much more than a big house it would be quite easily taken whilst Lorien is a town/city. ne way everyones favorite she elf Arwen start having bad dreams or summet and asks to look in the mirror (i heard people baying for blood allready) and she sees Aragon been surounded by a whole load of orcs and them killing him basically. this aint good stuff so the elvs are sent by gandriel to protect good old aragon from his death.

Now this is gonna be awful if it is the case PJ its not to late to change it so that the elves are just sent to u know help out be good neighbours and all we dont need all this complicated stuff its cheasy and wont work.

northsuperior · 07-20-2002, 08:06 PM

uggghhhh ....thats sucks way off beat from the book wayTOO off the track that fer sure.......

viggosbeard · 07-22-2002, 03:34 AM

sween - that sounds logical ina movie / hollywood kind of way and probably not as bad as i was suspecting. We all know there are changes and there have to be changes, so if pj keeps with the ' feel ' of the story and doesnt invent a race of killer sheep to defend aragorn, then I think its acceptable. Remember this is an adaptation not a straight re-teling and we have to trust in pj's vision and love of the book.

BeardofPants · 07-22-2002, 07:01 AM

*twitches*

viggosbeard · 07-22-2002, 07:32 AM

i think i smell danger in the air.....memo to self...."dont publicly agree with changes to book "

BeardofPants · 07-22-2002, 07:39 AM

*burp*

Lizra · 07-22-2002, 08:16 AM

Yeah, I think I'm starting to break out in hives myself.

viggosbeard · 07-22-2002, 08:25 AM

hives ..land of milk and honey ..nice one !

Lizra · 07-22-2002, 10:14 AM

Not intentional!

07-12-2002, 07:13 PM	#21
arawn Sapling Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: The House of Elrond Posts: 9	i say what is wrong with 45 mins of battle P.S I'm not a violent person. Reeeeeaally __________________ "I will not say: do not weep, for not all tears are an evil" -Gandalf

07-16-2002, 05:02 AM	#23
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	do you think 30 minutes of modern warefare would equate to 45 mins of middle earth orc slaughter - if helms deep lasts 30 mins them pellenor will be about 2 hours worth ! more battles - more blood and guts - more rows of orc necks ! __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

07-16-2002, 08:33 PM	#24
northsuperior Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 22	haldri and the elves: Uruk fodder or something else?? i am at a loss as to how Haldir and Co. are introduced into the plot pre H.D.?? I guess haldir and co will kind of be replacing the grey companys arrival albiet before the battle . Other than just showing up they must be playing some kind of role crucial to the plot, perhaps bearing messages for Aragorn?bringing the Banner perhaps or Narsil reforged ( i dont think so he uses the rangers sword at the battle) so what gives any ideas.???? Further reinforcning that premise is that fact that if they are wiped out they must have something better to do than just show up and die. As we know Halbarad the leader of the grey company passes anway in the book at the battle of the Pelennor, Haldir will be doing stepping into that part ofHalbarads role too. tsk tsk poor haldir thats what you get for playing around to much with bow and not practicing your swordsmanship so fellow posters any ideas as to what role these guys play or are they just cannon fodder or should i say uruk fodder??

07-16-2002, 09:53 PM	#25
Rei Elven Warrior Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Hades....it's a tough job but someone's gotta do it Posts: 182	I think that perhaps they will be showing up (lead by Arwen of course ) to bring Aragorn his standard and the reforged shards of Narsil. __________________ ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Seek for the Sword that was broken: In Imladris it dwells; There shall be counsels taken Stronger than Morgul-spells. There shall be shown a token That doom is near at hand For Isildur's Bane shall waken, And the Halfling forth shall stand. ______________________________ ------------------------------------------------ Whoo-hooo!!! I'm an Elven Warrior!!!!!

07-17-2002, 03:59 AM	#26
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	Im at a bit of a loss over the elves turning up, other than being sent by Galadriel as some sort of elvish support , doing their bit etc. Something i did read last night though, Legolas' conversation with Gimli, something like " what i wouldnt give for 100 Elvish archers blah blah blah" - I think this needs some serious thought , but it must have something to do with escorting Arwen to meet Aragorn , more suggestions please !!! __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

07-16-2002, 04:24 AM	#22
Andúril The Original Corruptor Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 2,881	After watching movies such as Saving Private Ryan, I think that a period of about 30 minutes of continuous battle could work quite well.

07-19-2002, 01:06 PM	#27
Peredhel Sapling Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tennessee Posts: 9	Elves from Lorien? A forty-five battle scene will be awesome, especially since I've seen the snippets from the seige of Helm's Deep. I must say that elves from Lorien being in this battle is very surprising. Wonder how much of the storyline Mr. Jackson changed to bring the Wood-elves to Anglarond. Perhaps Celeborn wields the bow in the scene?

07-19-2002, 09:05 PM	#28
northsuperior Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 22	more theories ....... now i might be a sapling and all but the lore of LOTR is nothing new to this 20 time reader fanatic..... anywho....while i think its kinda neat that elves are at helms deep , sa role that may be addressing the quote that legolas said wishing he had some of his "folk" with bows there . why are these elves their otherthan being spear fodder for the uruk hai?? they must be delivering something the Grey Compny ( who seems to be out)a message or items . I think the banner is gonzo so its either a message or Anduril, but Aragaorn is using the ranger sword at the battle or so thats what i see on the battlement during the teaser. And hes leading these elves that clear ther is no Celeborn present. now there seems to be some snippets of scenes with galadriel and Elrond floating around that, were not in the FOTR, not to mention some of arwen and galadriel too. so... does this give us some clues as to what will happens i think....so!! Ok so elrond and galadriel confer methinks that the Aragron reclaiming his role ass heir of Isildur is going to be addressed . I bet Elrond sends help in the form of Elves and they bear a message fopr him to reclaim the thron of Gondor and to show his presence to Sauron via the palantir. (OR they are secnes dealing with arwen becoming mortal and binding her fate with that of Aragron aka luthien/ beren story which insiders know PJ is keen on following.......) but i digress,.... Thus when Denethor's madness via use of the palantir becomes apprerent,he can also whine about Gandalf bringing this upstart ranbger to supplant him, aka the storyline via The ROTK. whatda ya think??

07-19-2002, 09:07 PM	#29
northsuperior Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 22	sorry for the bad spelling...... ni i ma not 10, ( as ten year old would do better) but i was in a hurry see ya

07-19-2002, 10:35 PM	#30
northsuperior Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 22	ohh the spelling i am such a loser n.m. ....

07-20-2002, 06:41 AM	#31
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	that pipe weed must be good in Ontario !! __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

07-20-2002, 05:33 PM	#32
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	ok this is how i have heard and believe the elvs been at helm will play into the film. The Rivendale elves will move from Rivendale to Lorien for safty this kinda makes sence rivendales not much more than a big house it would be quite easily taken whilst Lorien is a town/city. ne way everyones favorite she elf Arwen start having bad dreams or summet and asks to look in the mirror (i heard people baying for blood allready) and she sees Aragon been surounded by a whole load of orcs and them killing him basically. this aint good stuff so the elvs are sent by gandriel to protect good old aragon from his death. Now this is gonna be awful if it is the case PJ its not to late to change it so that the elves are just sent to u know help out be good neighbours and all we dont need all this complicated stuff its cheasy and wont work. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

07-20-2002, 08:06 PM	#33
northsuperior Hobbit Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: northern ontario canada Posts: 22	wher did you hear THAT??? need to know uggghhhh ....thats sucks way off beat from the book wayTOO off the track that fer sure.......

07-22-2002, 03:34 AM	#34
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	sween - that sounds logical ina movie / hollywood kind of way and probably not as bad as i was suspecting. We all know there are changes and there have to be changes, so if pj keeps with the ' feel ' of the story and doesnt invent a race of killer sheep to defend aragorn, then I think its acceptable. Remember this is an adaptation not a straight re-teling and we have to trust in pj's vision and love of the book. __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

07-22-2002, 07:01 AM	#35
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	twitches __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

07-22-2002, 07:32 AM	#36
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	i think i smell danger in the air.....memo to self...."dont publicly agree with changes to book " __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

07-22-2002, 07:39 AM	#37
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	burp __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

07-22-2002, 08:16 AM	#38
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Yeah, I think I'm starting to break out in hives myself.

07-22-2002, 08:25 AM	#39
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	hives ..land of milk and honey ..nice one ! __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

07-22-2002, 10:14 AM	#40
Lizra Domesticated Swing Babe Join Date: May 2002 Location: Reality Posts: 5,340	Not intentional!

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