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If you mean compensation for slavery, I have to disagree with you on that. I agree that slavery was a hideous mark upon the history of any country that allowed such a thing, European countries, North America, South America, Africa, etc. But to say that America is the only country that needs to make reparations for slavery is wrong and it is narrow minded. |
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I can't judge it how easy or difficult it is to get a politician as I don't know it. But I think that you are able to become the mayor of a town if you are an EU citizen. (Do you know the word burgomaster? my dictionary said it). I still think that it is disproportionate (another dictionary word) to talk that way about other countries and to say that eg the right of free speech is a only-US-right.
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08-26-2003, 06:55 PM | #23 |
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pleeeease get these ignorant (see webster=not knowing) people straightened out j.d.
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In the US you can hold any office except President - as long as you are an American citizen - either born or immigrant. It doesn't matter what country the person is from. As for outside residents running for office within the states - that is based on state laws. Hillary Clinton was able to run as Senator of NY - because NY allows outside residents to run in their congressional elections even though she was an Arkansas resident at the time - other states do not allow this though. Quote:
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In addition - the majority of slaves were sent to Brazil anyway. 23% of slaves were sent to Brazil - the next largest percentage was sent to the Carribean - North America received less than 10%. I can't remember the actual figure - but it was low single digits. Why don't people get on Brazils case and the Carribean? Not to mention Europe and Africa since they brought slavery to the Americans. I think it's for the same reason people don't sue when they get hit by a beat up car - but if a mercedes hits them - they're in the courthouse with back pains and sexual problems in a blink of an eye.
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I just read in the news about another athlete defecting to the US - this one was a gymnast from Cuba. You don't get too many people going the other way!
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Elf Girl, welcome back and I hope your recovery is going well.
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By the way - all Nazi stuff is outlawed in Germany (even Wolfenstein) - that would completely not be allowed in the US. The NJ public libraries even took the Federal Government to court because they wanted to require all public libraries to have censorware on their computers. The libraried here feel that it is in violation of the First Amendment.
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Canada- Minister of Natural Resources: DHALIWAL, The Hon. HARBANCE SINGH (HERB), P.C., B.Comm. DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH: 1952.12.12 Punjab, India Minister of Veterans Affairs: PAGTAKHAN, The Hon. Dr. REY D., P.C., M.D. DATE AND PLACE OF BIRTH: 1935.01.07 Manila, Philippines As for Arnold, many Canadian provincial premiers have had foreign origins. Canada and the U.S. ( and to a lesser extent degree Australia) are different from most countries in that they are composed of immigrants and their descendants- other countries are based on the ethnic group/groups that were living there when the nation-state system developed. Looking back to your earlier posting about France, I guess that's what you mean, and I think you're basically right- people from most countries would tend to identify "a real ______ " as someone with ancestral links. There's a movement here in Taiwan to allow dual citizenship for foreigners, and if that happens I will certainly become a citizen of the Republic of China, but I wouldn't bet on my neighbours agreeing that I'm Chinese.
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But the question is if the people would elect him. Another thing. I have thought about Pride and Nations for long. IMO pride for a special nation or country is absolutely not neccessary. It may be justified if you have build up a country or did something very important, then you can be proud. But if a person is just a citizen of a country, why should the person be proud? At least not the persons who were born with the citizenship. They have done nothing to "deserve" the citizenship. They were just born in the right country or had the right parents. And to be proud of the history of a country. You could say that you are proud because you are a descendant of the persons who build the country. But that was still not your effort. Most people never did anything imporant for their country so I don't think it is justified to be proud of being a citizen. I am Austrian. But I am not proud to be Austrian, because I have done nothing to deserve the citizenship. I was just born lucky. I am grateful that I am from Austria because there are worse countries where I wouldn't have had the opportunities that I have here.
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cheese-tasting test? I think on immigration Canada has become much more like the States. Originally we had the myth of "two founding nations" - English and French - and anybody who wasn't French was supposed to assimilate into the English "nation". Mordecai Richler pointed out that in the 1930s and 40s Montreal Jews caught between these polarities looked to New York as their spiritual homeland. With the huge waves of non-Anglo immigration we've come much closer to the melting pot idea. Now if we could only get rid of that Limey Queen ...
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Yep the Mexican situation is a huge problem. Calif. is the worst with Az. next. Having moved from Tucson I can tell you on top of all that has been said above, the emergency services are also in deep debt from the costs of rescuing illegals. It never abates and Az. in one year caught almost 500,000 illegals crossing over....think of it...that's what they 'caught'.
Now with the Mexican govn't. giving that ID card for $29 and municipalities allowing it to be used for granting of services such as water, electric and banking, there's no hope of stemming the tide nor solving the problem.
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I dont think america should make out that its the easiest country to get into or is not predudice. My mums old boss wanted to take her child to disney world but was politally informed that she would not be allowed to come to america because she is russian!
As for imigration i think america has got it right England is a soft touch in my opinion in this matter and we have too many people come into this country who only want an easy life style! End of the day for EU citizens it doesnty matter if we have to become German or not because we are free to work anywhere in EU member states. IM very proud of the 1992 single european act , Not so proud the torys fought tooth and nail to reject it
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Lalaith - you don't have to be proud of being Austrian, or your country - that is your decision. Personally I don't completely understand it. But I am proud of America - what we have accomplished, I am proud of being American, and I am proud of my ancestors for packing up there life into a small suitcase - getting to a crowded haul of a ship and making their way to Ellis Island to a land they had no idea about. I have just as much a right and a joy to celebrate 4th of July as my friend jason whose family was one of the original founders of Virginia and descendant of Ben Franklin. American history is MY history - I really don't care about Ireland, Russia, Italy, Poland, Czechloslavakia. To me they are foreign countries - I am interested in them as foreign countries - not as MY countries. I'm only one nationality - American. And that's the country I care about the most. And I am proud to be an American. Runiel I knew about that - it is one of the reasons why California is so much in debt, as Spock alluded to. The tax payers pay for all these illegal aliens - without having the tax base. What was really interesting was the outcry of rage when California proposed eliminating public education benefits from illigal aliens. It did go through. I don't know why so many California liberals feel that people who illegally come to this country deserve any benefits. It's bankrupting California and many other states. It also just encourages them to come here illegally - because there are no consequences once they are here.
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"My mums old boss wanted to take her child to disney world but was politally informed that she would not be allowed to come to america because she is russian!"
huh, what? That makes no sense, especially if it is just for a vacation! There are a ton of russian immigrants here - heck even my ancestors were mostly from Russia. Informed by whom? The gov? I doubt it. Maybe the ticket salesmen or something.
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