01-10-2003, 01:21 AM | #21 |
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Looks like I'm headed straight for Hell then. Joy.
I just dropped by this thread because I was headed toward what looked like a minor 'spark skirmish' with Wayfarer on the other religion thread. Perhaps it will be interesting, neh?
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And I believe this assumption is in essence a very un-christian thing to believe. According to the Bible Jesus didn't look down on people who didn't believe nor did he in my memory threaten them with hell. But he pitied those that held on to the letter of the Word of God without looking at the meaning of it.
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The structure of your statement indicated that you thought my reply was irrational because:
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To Shadowfax: Thanks for the reply Initial response: Secondary response: After a little composure: Blimey, that seems a bit harsh! Either spend your life in servitude to God or suffer eternally in the fiery pits of Hell Ach well, Hell it is then I don't really subscribe to the Christian religion..........I certainly don't respond well to the do-or-be-damned attitude of this (that is no way intended to be a personal attack btw). Quote:
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I also wonder that if your not a believer in God, and your doomed to eternal Hell anyway, what is the point of living a decent and honest life..........might as well go rob a bank and live it up while you can (j/k) It certainly explains a lot why Christians were so hated in times past. "Love our God or burn in Hell" .......... "Uh huh, tell it to the lions". EG + Eärniel.........I'll save you folks a warm seat beside the fire |
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01-10-2003, 04:19 PM | #25 |
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How did I manage to post by quoting myself without noticing it?
It was an accident, no, I was not trying to make any particular point.
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When the Bible tell you that to go to heaven you must trust Jesus as your saviour, its not being mean. Its not saying that you are a bad person (no one, including Christians, is perfect). Its just warning you of something.
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01-10-2003, 06:34 PM | #27 | |
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Interesting analogy Finmandos
But one can step either side, jump over or even walk backwards from "the sewer" and still not end up in the crud Christianity does not seem to give this option......it seems to me to be a choice of "come to me or wallow in the excrement". Quote:
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Anyways I am a non religious Jew (well me mum is Jewish so therefore I am) I guess I'm agnostic, because I'm not ruling out the possibility that there is a "higher power" or something.
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Free will seems to have a few conditions attached to it. Why the heck should anyone respect a god who treats people with so much disdain? *expects to be turned into a pillar of salt at any moment* Last edited by Coney : 01-10-2003 at 09:32 PM. |
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01-10-2003, 09:36 PM | #31 |
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I'd like to know where you get the Idea that punishment and ass kissing are somehow involved-but that's common enought that I won't bother.
Actually, what scripture makes clear is that anyone who wants to spend eternity in the joy-filled presence of God has the chance. Anyone who spends eternity in hell is there ultimately because they wish it. The simple step is yours to take. As for ass kissing and otehr behavioral issues-I had thought it was settled that no ammount of effort on your part could save you, and no amount of sin on your part could prevent you from being saved. 'nuff said.
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Since heaven is communion with God, and Hell is Seperation from God, that is an invalid choice. One cannot be neither Saved nor Not Saved. It is a logical impossibility.
"Nonsense does not stop being nonsense simply because you ascribe it to God."
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If you don't think that you get to heaven by trusting Christ, how do you think that you get to heaven? Being good? Hoping the good deeds outweigh the bad?
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Yet is the soul not immortal?........therefore, by definition, invulnerable? Would be a shame if there were only two choices...the penthouse or the boilerhouse.......so to speak FTR I don't ascribe any religion as non-sense........it is after all a personal choice but I do (did) believe in examining (questioning) any form of religion until I decide the path for my(self) soul. Another question: I have read that Hell is simply a time of redemption...........when the sins are "purged" from the soul then Heaven (and therefore God) will accept you......yet Hell is often described as "eternal".......any comments on this? |
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Surely you statement simply means "Blessed if you do (believe) and damned if you don't"........Salvation for those who lived a life for God........Salvation also for those who (regardless of their sin) turned to God........and to buggery with those who denied God |
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It seems coney, that you have insisted in proving my point. Some people insist on having something less than paradise-and get it. But it is an all or nothing proposition. Quote:
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In fact, I would say you are excused for getting that impression, because there are many americans who believe just what you stated. But they are not followers of christ, whatever label the give themselves. Harsh words? Perhaps. But I often feel as Gandalf did: Quote:
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