04-29-2008, 09:07 PM | #21 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 455
|
The bashing before the movie is even made, it's kinda sad.
I can't wait to see it, I enjoyed (and continue to enjoy) PJ's films and I expect to enjoy The Hobbit, too.
__________________
Don't curse the darkness - light a candle. |
04-29-2008, 11:03 PM | #22 |
Enting
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cali
Posts: 56
|
Well I haven't been on the 'moot for very long yet, but from what I can tell, that's the way things are around here. Any Tolkien project that includes Jackson is already considered purist blasphemy and, correct me if I'm wrong, must be bashed!
And anyways, PJ's not the actual director this time around, so hey, this can't be bad news for everybody. |
04-29-2008, 11:30 PM | #23 | |
Enting
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Cali
Posts: 56
|
Quote:
|
|
04-30-2008, 12:31 AM | #24 |
Captain Jack
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: High Charity
Posts: 598
|
Hey I'm sure it will be good and if PJ's producing it, then hopefully he will make sure that the battle of the five armies is freaking HUGE!!
__________________
Captain Jack Sparrow: When you marooned me on that god forsaken spit of land, you forgot one very important thing, mate: I’m Captain Jack Sparrow. Cortana: So have you got a plan to get out? Master Chief: I was gonna shoot my way out. Mix things up a little. |
04-30-2008, 12:46 AM | #25 |
Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: College!
Posts: 1,976
|
What worries me is that Del Toro has read The Hobbit, but that he never managed to make it through LOTR. The only comfort I have is knowing that Sir Ian is likely coming back. He's really gonna be a stickler for Tolkien.
__________________
Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan) |
04-30-2008, 01:45 AM | #26 |
Deus Ex Machina
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Seattle
Posts: 1,951
|
I wouldn't worry about him not having read LotR. 'The Hobbit' is quite capable of standing alone, as it did stand alone as a story before LotR was even a first draft.
Nor would I say that any Tolkien project with PJ is automatically evil. I may vehemently disagree with some of his decisions regarding plot and character shifts, the films have as many good points as they do painful. It's just more amusing to pick on the painful bits.
__________________
"5. Plain Rings with RUNES on the inside. Avoid these like the PLAGUE.-Diana Wynne Jones Tough Guide To FantasyLand ...it's not much of a show if somebody doesn't suffer, and preferably at length. Suffering is beautiful in any case, and so is anguish; but as for loathing, and bitterness... I don't think they belong on the stage at all. - Isabella, I Gelosi |
04-30-2008, 01:55 AM | #27 | ||
Lady of the Ulairi
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Minas Morgul
Posts: 2,783
|
Quote:
Quote:
No comments. |
||
04-30-2008, 04:30 AM | #28 | ||
Elf Lord
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: In me taters
Posts: 3,288
|
Personally, I find that to be grounds for optimism. The "easy way" to do the Hobbit would be as heroic fantasy. I see the true nature of the book as being more like a fairy tale than Conan the Barbarian.
Quote:
Quote:
There's some hilarious (non PG) spite in the comments on that story. |
||
04-30-2008, 08:37 AM | #29 | ||
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 455
|
Quote:
Quote:
__________________
Don't curse the darkness - light a candle. |
||
04-30-2008, 12:13 PM | #30 | |
Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: College!
Posts: 1,976
|
Quote:
It becomes rather connected to LOTR, especially with how they're playing it up as a prequel (what with the two-movie thing and all). That's one thing that scares me.
__________________
Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan) |
|
04-30-2008, 12:52 PM | #31 |
Elf Lord
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 987
|
What concerns me is that some have classified the very civil discussion in this thread as 'bashing' which seems counter-productive bordering on fishing, to me. There are very few ways to respond to such an accusation that won't result in either argument or someone leaving the thread.
__________________
~The DPR "Good work. Sleep well. I'll most likely kill you in the morning." |
04-30-2008, 02:09 PM | #32 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 455
|
Don't hide behind "some." I'm talking to you now, DRP (interpretation aid: said lightheartedly ).
It's nothing more than a nomenclature difference, is all. I, too, deem the discussion in this thread to be civil. "Bash" to me means to knock or criticize, perhaps sometime harshly, but not with incivility. However, now that I'm aware of your sensitivity to the term, I'll use "criticize" the next time as the last reaction I would want to induce in an esteemed fellow Entmooter would be concern, seeming counterproductiveness bordering on fishing, or fear of argumentation. EDIT: Let's try try the original post again and see how it works with the substitution: >> The *criticizing* before the movie is even made, it's kinda sad. >> I can't wait to see it, I enjoyed (and continue to enjoy) PJ's films and I expect to enjoy The Hobbit, too. Much better!
__________________
Don't curse the darkness - light a candle. Last edited by Jon S. : 04-30-2008 at 02:22 PM. |
04-30-2008, 03:00 PM | #33 |
Lady of the Ulairi
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Minas Morgul
Posts: 2,783
|
What is wrong with fishing?
|
04-30-2008, 03:17 PM | #34 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 455
|
Nothing but, unless you're a sushi devote, killing them afterwards against the nearest rocks in order to eat them on-the-spot-raw is definitely low rent.
__________________
Don't curse the darkness - light a candle. |
04-30-2008, 06:14 PM | #35 | |
The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium)
Posts: 14,363
|
Quote:
(I'm not a native English speaker, but 'bashing' always had a negative image to me instead of merely objective criticism. Is this just me? Just curious.)
__________________
We are not things. |
|
04-30-2008, 07:48 PM | #36 |
The Black Númenórean
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 6,773
|
No, you're not the only one, because bashing IS engative. It is not the same as objective criticism.
__________________
Your children are not your children. They are the sons and daughters of Life's longing for itself. They come through you but not from you, And though they are with you yet they belong not to you. You may give them your love but not your thoughts, For they have their own thoughts. You may house their bodies but not their souls, For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow, which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams. |
05-01-2008, 01:38 AM | #37 | ||
Lady of the Ulairi
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Minas Morgul
Posts: 2,783
|
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by Gordis : 05-01-2008 at 01:40 AM. |
||
05-01-2008, 08:13 AM | #38 |
Elven Warrior
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 455
|
This is the last bandwidth I'm going to spend on this subject and then it's back to LOTR (anyone needing to comment further can have the last word).
Please read closely. There is a difference between being negative and being uncivil. Personally, I find the predictable and repetitive movie bashing on this forum quite negative but not uncivil and therefore deserving of the descriptive but relatively tame term, "bashing." However, I have also said (just above) that, in deference to those who are linguistically more sensitive than I, I'm happy in the future to substitute "criticize" for "bash" in my posts. Does this work for everyone or do you need more? Earniel, you can correct me if I'm wrong but I believe you're suggesting that had I been here before my join date of Dec. 2004 to have heard yet worse criticism of the PJ movies, I'd be less sad now about the new movie criticism due to having become inured to it previously. It is OK for me to feel sad about that, too? One final observation. Some may have noticed that I use my own real name as my user name and my own real picture as my avatar. That's actually something I do on all the forums I frequent because it's my experience that people, generally, are more civil in their cyber-interactions - and yes, rant and bash less - when we are not posting behind fictitious names and pictures. Just food for thought. IMHO. YMMV. Ad nauseum.
__________________
Don't curse the darkness - light a candle. Last edited by Jon S. : 05-01-2008 at 08:17 AM. |
05-01-2008, 08:34 AM | #39 | |
The Chocoholic Sea Elf Administrator
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: N?n in Eilph (Belgium)
Posts: 14,363
|
Quote:
__________________
We are not things. |
|
05-01-2008, 03:48 PM | #40 |
Fenway Ranger, Lord of Red Sox Nation
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: College!
Posts: 1,976
|
Yeah, I haven't seen much "bashing" here. I've seen real bashing. Nothing like this. I've seen rabid PJ-despisers...yeah, now they're out there.
Anyway. What of the idea that a guy who hasn't read LOTR because he wasn't patient enough to read it is directing TH and a film after TH that links it to LOTR?
__________________
Adventure...betrayal...heroism... Atharon: where heroes are born. My wife once said to me—when I'd been writing for ten or fifteen years—that I could always go back to being a nuclear engineer. And I said to her, 'Harriet, would you let someone who quit his job to go write fantasy anywhere near your nuclear reactor? I wouldn't!' (Robert Jordan) |
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
Would Spielberg have done a good job directing a SW film? | hectorberlioz | The Star Wars Saga | 4 | 08-31-2007 04:05 PM |