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And why should Bush bow to her just because she was born into the right family... uh... *never mind* And hey - President Nixon met "The King" and they just shook hands!!! As for the national anthem... well, we have to let bygones be bygones! I used to have fistfights with my best friends when I was a small boy - and we went right on being friends. Just glad we're no longer bombing each other's shores! |
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BTW Gaffer here is the flier that I was talking about and some news articles about the group in London...
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Thanks for that; I see that the meetings were cancelled, probably because their own community would have kicked their heads in.
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Bowing is indeed a gesture of respect. Do you, for example, object to we British subjects bowing to her as protocol?
Just for pure curiousity value:- do you [Americans] understand the distinction between nobility and royalty?
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You are free to bow to whomever conscience dictates. Your continental compatriots though, eventually forced their own kings to bow - in their final act on earth. Interesting to me that even they think a US President should bow to a British monarch... I THINK we understand the difference between nobility and royalty. We do have the disadvantage of having been raised in a nation where those distinctions were left behind (so we only view it from afar, so to speak) - I say thankfully (in fact, our constitution forbids a US citizen to accept such distinctions without special permission, I believe - but my US gov't classes were a LONG time ago! ). Last edited by Valandil : 11-19-2003 at 12:44 PM. |
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11-19-2003, 12:47 PM | #29 |
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Right.
Just to clear the matter up: IN ENGLAND:- A Noble:- Nobility is often referred to as the 'aristocracy', 'the first class of the realm' or the 'ruling classes'. In England, a noble is anyone holding the HEREDITARY titles of Duke, Earl, Viscount, Baron and Baronet. Those raised to the peerage for their lives only (i.e. Lady Thatcher) are considered commoners. To gain one of these titles, one must be created them by a monarch (of any country). One cannot buy a title! Knights and all the various Orders of the UK (i.e. Orders of the Garter, St. Michael and St. George, the Bath, the Thistle, the Royal Victorian and so forth) are considered aristocratic, but not noble. Royalty:- Anyone posessing MALE-LINE (i.e. father to son, father to son) descent from a monarch. ----------- By the way, all European Countries (except Austria) still have a nobility. Including even France for example, no country has actually outlawed its nobility from bearing titles. Even it did, they will always remain a potent social force.
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11-19-2003, 01:30 PM | #30 |
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Yeah I guess we didn't need security after all
Reported today there was a security breach in Buckingham palace: http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...royal_security Oh and about the whole nobility crap, frankly I don't think us Americans really care about it Radagast, lol. I am sure the large majority of us know what it is, I know I do. I think it's funny actually, but that's just me. I guess that's a result of growing up in a society where we don't think the higher ups are better than us, not saying you do, but the whole "noble" thing is really a subserviant relationship, especially when the rest are called "commoners". It's like I said earlier, for our head of state, i.e. the President, to bow to a monarch that doesn't even have power, would be to acknowledge the rule we fought to overthrow...
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The queen didn't bow to the pres. Does this mean that she doesn't respect him or our country? What gesture of respect did she show to him? Quote:
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PS - Not that we Americans are trying to pick a fight about it... it just goes against our "grain" to think of our leader being expected to do so... when it isn't mutual observed and (perhaps especially) when it involves the monarchy we originally rebelled against. Does that make sense?
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Yes, how is that starting a whole new country thing after a revolution going for you these days?
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If you're asking about the state of our 227 year-old revolution... pretty well, I think - but not perfect yet. I'm glad we have what we have, as opposed to many of the visible alternatives. If you're talking about a newer revolution of some cultural sort, please elaborate (that was my first impression - but then I later thought it was more likely the 227 year old thing!). PS: and... are you and "Radagast the Brown" ever going to fight it out over the name? Last edited by Valandil : 11-19-2003 at 02:44 PM. |
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I was joking, I didn't mean it seriously and yes, in hindsight, I meant the 227 year old thing.
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sun-star, is that a Remembrance Day Poppy in your picture?
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No, it's supposed to be a rose, though I did have a poppy a few days ago.
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oh my god are you guys STILL going on about bowing? geez talk about much ado about nothing. get over it. its so meaningless. what ever happened to "when in rome"? if your value about yourself is tied to such trivial things only then you have internal issues of your own to deal with. if yer bigger then all that then bowing or hand shaking or barking like a dog are just small trivial things. lets not get into full blown ugly american sydnrome over such useless shaft shall we .
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