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But surely an elf can resist thows powers better than a mortal man.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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It showed he really did hate the Noldor, to try and kill his son instead of having him live with his wifes kin.
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Then Huor spoke and said: "Yet if it stands but a little while, then out of your house shall come the hope of Elves and Men. This I say to you, lord, with the eyes of death: though we part here for ever, and I shall not look on your white walls again, from you and me a new star shall arise. Farewell!" The Silmarillion, Nirnaeth Arnoediad, Page 230 |
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I disagree. I think he did love her, and didn't say the spear was posioned becasue of his anger. I'm not sure, but it seems to me that he didn't really care what will happen - as he knew he's going to be killed without ask for forgiveness from the Golodhrim, and prefered Aredhel to come with him to the Halls of Mandos.
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Some good quotes there SGH. Thanks.
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In general, I have felt sorry for Maeglin. Not completely though.
While the parallel isn't complete, I just now see some similarities with him and Grima Wormtongue - oddly enough. Each desired a 'daughter' (in one case an actual niece, but treated as daughter) of a king, was in relative close counsel with that king - and betrayed their kingdom to an enemy - with the promise of rulership of that kingdom and possession of the woman they desired. Pretty much ends there though, I think...
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Although I do agree that it might not have been the most lawful decidsion - Tolkein doesn't say anything about kinslaying in that part, nor saying that it was somehow wrong. And it also seemed to me like everyone knew Eöl deserved to die - since Idril and Aredhel begged Turgon not to kill him... I think all Gondolin thought he deserves to die.
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