02-03-2003, 09:20 PM | #21 |
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If we are talking about the "good guys," I would say Gandalf, hands down. He is a Maia afterall. He cannot truly be killed.
He was able to resist the ring when it was right in front of him. He was able to defeat a Balrog before losing his physical body, which consequently was a veil upon his true power. He was able to sway the great and the wise with his mental toughness and wisdom. Just going by lineage alone, next in line would be Galadriel wielding Nenya. Maybe Elrond with Vilya.
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02-03-2003, 11:20 PM | #22 |
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Interesting above someone mentioning Bombadil: the two times we see him "battling," there is no battle. He uses his words/ position/ influence to defeat the enemy (Old Man Willow, Barrow Wights). That's an interesting take on strength, and reminds me of Gandalf being the one to light a flame under people (ie, Theoden), using his words, position, influence.
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02-03-2003, 11:21 PM | #23 |
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When did Aragorn ever have any of that "Afraid of who he is" "Scared of his lineage" crap/junk?
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02-04-2003, 09:40 AM | #24 |
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Out of the Fellowship:
Physically: Aragorn and Gimli Mentally: Gandalf, Frodo and Aragorn Strength of Character: Sam (no contest!) Strong Comic Relief: Merry and Pippin (duh!) Just an observation, I've noticed nobody thought pretty boy Legolas was very strong in any of these categories.
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02-04-2003, 10:57 AM | #25 |
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Merry and Pippin are not supposed to be comic relief.
Gandalf is the most powerful overall of the Fellowship, no question.
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02-04-2003, 11:01 AM | #26 |
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Merry and Pippin just turn out to be the comic relief in the movies. You're right. As far as books go they're not. And it depends on the situationt to see if Gandalf is the strongest. Against orcs say, everyone would have a fair shot at being the strongest character. But against a balrog, well Gandalf is the only one who knows the magic to fend it off. See what I mean?
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02-04-2003, 11:12 AM | #27 |
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Gandalf is the strongest overall character; there is little/no doubt in my mind of that.
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02-04-2003, 02:56 PM | #29 |
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Interesting topic!
As for phyisical strength, I agree with everyone who mentioned Treebeard. Mentally strongest, though... that's hard to answer. Most of the characters prove themselves much stronger than they looked. But, in my personal opinion, it's a tie between Frodo and Sam. |
02-04-2003, 07:32 PM | #30 |
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Well, here's my opinions:
Physically: Probably Gimli, but out of my favourites, Legolas or Gandalf Mentally: Probably Sam and Frodo, they were the strongest to the resistance to the Ring (well, Frodo gave in, in the end, but he had to bear it for all those long miles, and for a whole year and stuff...) Wisdom: Gandalf, hands down. Or perhaps Treebeard. In characteistics: Gollum...he's one of the most complex characters I've ever read about! But, that's common for most of the Lord of the Rings characters. They've got layers and layers of characteristics.
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02-04-2003, 09:22 PM | #31 | |
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02-06-2003, 01:07 PM | #32 |
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excuse my powertrip i meant to ask who is the strongest physycally but got carried away with my plans of world domination. plus it was my first post and i was and still am a moron.
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02-06-2003, 04:51 PM | #33 |
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treebeard!
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02-06-2003, 05:58 PM | #34 |
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sauron
no doubt, who did not fear sauron?
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02-06-2003, 06:01 PM | #35 |
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I don't fear Sauron! I do however tremble at the sight ofTom Bombadil!
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02-07-2003, 07:16 AM | #36 |
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Did someone mention 'Frodo' and 'blanket' in the same sentence?
Just one point . . . Sam did not have to bear the Ring. If he had been the Bearer, I'm quite sure he wouldn't have managed it as well as Frodo. When subjected to the same test he would have done worse. Therefore I stick with Frodo as mentally toughest!
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02-08-2003, 01:43 AM | #38 |
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i would say ur mom is the strongest :------ )(
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02-09-2003, 03:18 PM | #39 |
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I don't like Legolas either, but he is not gay! he may be a pretty boy elf- but he is not gay!
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