10-15-2003, 01:56 PM | #21 |
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I completely agree with azalea.
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BTW, I don't think PJ sux, I would just like to have a wager with BB that if I'm right he would have to post those two words. hahaha! I like PJ, actually, and time is moving too slowly till the extended DVD of TTT and the release of RotK.
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10-31-2003, 12:50 PM | #23 |
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frodo!dead! noooooooooooo
if he kills frodo i will cry help me get me a tissue
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11-03-2003, 04:45 PM | #24 |
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Frodo die indeed...pah!
The quest will claim his life, but not by killing him. Note than in ROTK, Frodo is in constant agony due to the longlasting effects of the ring. It will be destroyed for sure, but it even left a scar on Bilbo who didn't have it during such a traumatic time. He even forgot about the whole quest and asked Frodo if he still had it when they returned to Rivendell. It won't claim his life physically, but psychologically.
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11-03-2003, 11:47 PM | #25 |
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frodo will not die phycologically. Galadrial just made a mistake in her forseeing. Like Gandalf taken back with fear when the Mouth of Sauron showed him the mithril cloak, The ring bearers can't just predict the future with perfect percision. for a time Galadrial did think that it would claim his life. but she was wrong wasn't she. That is the dumbest thing I have heard cassius. Though a good arguement Galadrial didn't mean that in the least.
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11-04-2003, 12:51 AM | #26 |
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Originally posted by GenX
"for a time Galadrial did think that it would claim his life. but she was wrong wasn't she. " __________________________________________________ But, as observed in some posts above, in a way the ring did take his life. That is, he lost the life he would have enjoyed as a hobbit in the shire and had to leave Middle-earth for good to be healed just two years later. Are you in pain, Frodo?" said Gandalf quietly as he rode by Frodo's side. "Well, yes I am," said Frodo. "It is my shoulder. The wound aches, and the memory of darkness is heavy on me. It was a year ago today." "Alas! There are some wounds that cannot be wholly cured," said Gandalf. "I fear it may be so with mine," said Frodo. "There is no real going back. Though I may come to the Shire, it will not seem the same; for I shall not be the same. I am wounded with knife, sting, and tooth, and a long burden. Where shall I find rest?" And remember Obi-won-Kenobe's "explanation" to LS about Luke's father having "died".
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11-04-2003, 01:43 AM | #28 |
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True, he went with bilbo and co. to the grey havens. A sort of heaven. They had no more purpose in middle earth to fulfill, so they left the middle earth. They died in a sense. So the quest did claim frodo's life.
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11-04-2003, 07:43 PM | #29 |
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I'm not sure if the quest did claim his life. It was my understanding that Frodo went over the sea, and that sixty-one years later Sam joins him. I don't think there's any evidence in the LOTR which mentions this, but in the HoME #9, Sauron Defeated, Sam clearly expects to meet with Frodo again. Of course this is not canon, but I always have hoped they would meet again. So Frodo would live till he was at least 101 -- and he would be healed, for that was why he went over the sea. Perhaps he had a wonderful life with the elves. Just my speculation of course.
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11-04-2003, 08:15 PM | #30 |
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Im a different sense of 'life'. He can no longer have the life he expected in the shire, and every joy he has is mingled with pain and longing.
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I never imagined the grey havens to be a material place. I'm pretty sure it is a heaven type place. It is called the "Grey Havens" you know
When frodo left on the ship, he died.
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11-05-2003, 02:51 PM | #32 |
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But don't forget about Valinor and the lands beyond the circles of the world! He was not truly DEAD, but like the elves had gone to live forever outside of ME -- I suppose you could see it as a "death," if you mean by death "departing from the world of mortals," but he still dwelt in his physical body, until his eventual true death -- "departure of soul from body," that was inevitable as he was a mortal.
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In Letters, JRRT suggests that the lifespans of mortals would be shortened in Valinor. I'm not aware of any definitive answer of when Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam died, however.
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11-07-2003, 05:00 PM | #34 |
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How come no dwarves get to go to the undying lands? Its not fair, the bearded short people always get the short end of the stick. However they make the short end look cooler than the long one.
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11-07-2003, 10:25 PM | #35 |
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Gimli got to go.
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bacchus, do you have that letter handy? i'd like to see it.
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frodo dying?
If PJ kills off Frodo, it would only be for movie drama. Of course, I think true book fans would probably start booing. I say that because of all the changes that were made from the book, that would be the ultimate "crime". That's not to say what's been changed in the movies were bad, I just think by killing Frodo it would be such a letdown. I think it would have the same effect of Matrix Revolutions. You all know what I'm talking about. I am just praying that doesn't happen to this movie because I have such high hopes for it.
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yes yes lets just kill the main character why dont we??? sounds like a winning plan to me!
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11-22-2003, 12:23 AM | #40 |
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All the theories as to what Galadrial meant by "it will claim Frodo's life" are interesting.
I have a different take on it, though. I took Galadriel literally: she was predicting Frodo literally must die as a result of his quest in the sense that even if he made it to Mt. Doom, because of ring's nature and effect he'd be unable to voluntarily part with it and so end up dead. I.e., either -1- Frodo wouldn't even reach Mt. Doom, he'd be found and killed first; -2- Frodo would reach Mt. Doom but claim the ring instead of casting it into the fire, in which case Sauron would instantly learn he had it and come and take it from him; or -3- he'd have to jump into Mt. Doom holding or wearing it because by that time he'd be in such a state that he'd be unable to bear the separation. In fact, -2- is what happened. But Gandalf the Wise, whether consciously or intuitively, KNEW it would. That's why he stressed from the beginning that Gollum should not be killed, that he still had some important part to play, and that even the very wise may not see all ends. So I believe Galadriel was speaking literally, she just wasn't able to foresee Gollum's intervention there at the end (yet another example of even the very wise being unable to see all ends).
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