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05-03-2003, 11:39 AM | #21 | |
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This is what Morgoth's Ring, Annals of Aman, says about the Silmarils: Quote:
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05-03-2003, 03:36 PM | #24 | |
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Re: The Silmarillion: Ch 7: Of the Silmarils and the Unrest of the Noldor
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Fat middle, thanks for the Nimphelos reference. Also, I'm still digesting your long post about the Fëanor and the Silmarils
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05-03-2003, 07:09 PM | #26 |
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I've always thought that Fëanor made the Silmarils because .... he wanted to. He loved gems, he got an idea of how to make gems, he fiddled around with it, then perfected it and made the Sils. I assume Fëanor used "the dews of Telperion and the rain that fell from Laurelin" that Varda stored in the "great vats like shining lakes" to make the Sils - "And the inner fire of the Silmarils Fëanor made of the blended light of the Trees of Valinor".
Unless Varda had asked people to NOT take the dew/rain out of the vats, or unless Fëanor felt in his heart that it was wrong to take some without permission, I don't think anything was wrong at this point. I wonder if the dew/rain in the vats was ever used by anyone else for anything? Or if people would just walk by and look at the beautiful lakes? Was it 'hands off' at the lakes, or would people dip their hands in the beautiful water and let it fall between their fingers back into the lakes? Or throw some up into the air and watch it fall back - little droplets of light.... That must have been a beautiful sight! I think most actions are neutral in themselves - there's nothing wrong with me sitting here having fun on Entmoot, unless I do it so much that my responsibilities suffer and I hurt others or myself (e.g., we eat at McDonalds every night because I don't make dinner 'cause I'm too busy selfishly Mooting, or I don't help the younger kids with their homework for the same reason, etc.) I just picture Fëanor getting this great idea and carrying it through, with no wrong motives at this point in time. Where the wrong comes in, IMO, is when he starts to love them with a greedy love, and that wrong attitude leads to all sorts of horrible choices and actions on his part later on down the road.
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05-04-2003, 02:43 AM | #28 | |
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05-04-2003, 03:40 AM | #29 |
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. I should be doing the laundry, but this is MUCH more fun! Ñá ë?* óú éä ïöü Öñ É Þ ð ß ® ç Ã¥ â„¢ æ ♪ ?* "How lovely are Thy dwelling places, O Lord of hosts! ... For a day in Thy courts is better than a thousand outside." (from Psalm 84) * * * God rocks! Entmoot : Veni, vidi, velcro - I came, I saw, I got hooked! Ego numquam pronunciare mendacium, sed ego sum homo indomitus! Run the earth and watch the sky ... Auta i lómë! Aurë entuluva! |
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I agree with RÃ*an also, that Fëanor's original idea was to make something beautiful, for the joy of it, as I believe was also the driving force behind the changes of the language of the Ñoldor. Maybe he also wanted to show off his skills, or even compete with the Valar and make things as beautiful as the Two Trees?
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See that in the rings plot Sauron is instructing Celebrimbor & co. as Melkor could have instructed Feanor with the Sils.
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Tolkien speaks in his letters and some other sources. In the Sil. we hear the story as was told by an elf (or by a Numenorean, if he had finished the transformation of the myths).
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05-04-2003, 01:40 PM | #34 |
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Interesting. I had thought that Feanor rejected Melkor utterly, and did not listen to him. But, he would have to have learned of such an astounding technical feat from somewhere, wouldn't he? Though, apparently the making of jewels was a pastime of the Noldor.
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You know, I haven't thought of the Phial in a long time. When I first read the books, I felt like Galadriel had made the Phial for Frodo, expressly, like the night before, but read later that the song in my sig was referring to it. Had it been around a long time, like the Elessar? I wonder.
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05-04-2003, 04:26 PM | #37 | |
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I agree, I don't think Morgoth had any hand in the creation of the Silmarils or in Fëanor's jewelmakingskills. But I remember reading somewhere (that's all I seem to do, don't I? I always remember reading something but never where. It's driving me spare! hey that rhymes... )
As I said I remember reading somewhere that later on, Morgoth often bragged about having taught Fëanor though in reality Fëanor hated him and would never have accepted any teaching of Morgoth. *sigh* I wish I'd remember where I read it. Not knowing where I saw it always makes me unsure whether I really read it or just imagined.
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Yes! *hugs Falagar* Thank you!
*smacks herself on the forehead* Oh man, that's from the chapter I reviewed myself only a few weeks ago! *hides in the gloom under a rock in deep, deep shame* I'm so ashamed of my self.....
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