04-27-2002, 02:38 PM | #21 |
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I'm sorry Crickhollow! At least one of them survived.
I think you meant to post that in the 'my plant's name is Pippin' thread tough. That's so sad! |
04-28-2002, 02:26 PM | #22 |
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I hate Harry PotterI hate Harry PotterI hate Harry PotterI hate Harry PotterI hate Harry Potter
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04-28-2002, 02:29 PM | #23 |
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And why might that be?
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04-28-2002, 04:44 PM | #24 |
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Because it's silly and therefore evil. See the "I'm writing an essay on relativism" thread. Not that I hate Harry Potter. And Tolkien took a vast amount of stuff from Northern European legend etc. Just look at the Angerthas, it is a modified actual Nordic(I think I don't remember) runescript. It's so much fun reading Beowulf(with original test) and comparing it to Tolkien. In Old whatever it is, "orku" is "troll". and soforth. It's fascinating.
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04-28-2002, 05:55 PM | #25 |
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ive been away for a couple days so i havent posted...im sorry but it is fixed into my mind that harry potter is the worst piece of writing ever..
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04-29-2002, 05:49 PM | #26 |
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Even worse than the poetry of Paula Nancy Millstone Jennings of Greenbridge, Essex, England?
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04-29-2002, 06:02 PM | #27 |
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....whoever's calling "Harry Potter" the worst piece of writing ever hasn't read half the flack at fanfiction.net. ESPECIALLY in the Lord of the Rings section.
Go ahead. Look up Mithril, and try to read it. I dare you.
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04-29-2002, 06:04 PM | #28 |
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lol..
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The dementors are not the Nazgul. The dementors have real skin, real flesh and blood. You could see their faces if they weren't covered up by hoods. They just have one large sucking hole in their face they use to take your soul. When they get near you, everyone gets cold and thinks horribly depressing thoughts, unlike the Nazgul who inspire unreasoning terror. And there are many, many dementors, they aren't the elite undead warriors of some Dark Lord.
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04-30-2002, 06:47 PM | #30 |
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i never said dementors WERE the Nazgûl..but very similar to them.. inspiring fear, wearing black robes, etc..and as was pointed out earlier, there a a few characters similar to ones in LoTR..aye, every author's ideas are inspired from other places, but this is a little bit too near, or atleast I think so..you can look at it the same way in the beginning of the silmarillion...it seems alot like the bible and Morgoth being Lucifer and Ilúvatar being God
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04-30-2002, 06:57 PM | #31 |
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I didn't use "are" literally. I know you don't think they're meant to be exactly the same. I'm suggesting the dementors have zilch to do with the Nazgul in general.
Of course the Ainulindale resembles the Bible. Tolkien was a Catholic and so, essentially, is his mythology.
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zilch? zilch? sheesh..open your eyes man!
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Dark capes and fear have been the penchant of evil since the greek vampires.
You might as well argue that Harry Potter is based on "Scream".
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05-02-2002, 04:12 PM | #36 |
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oh dearrr god, u think harry potter is bad and evil e.t.c? have you even SEEN vogon poetry? it deludes you all. never read vogon poetry, it is more evil than evil. in fact, it is so evil, it is EVIL EVIL!!!
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And there are ALOT of things similar in HP to The Hobbit. Take Hagrid and Beorn. Big,tall,black bearded, addicted to animals living on the edge of an evil forest guys. Or perhaps the cave troll. The Forbidden Forest and Mirkwood...Albus Dumbledoor and Gandalf...George and Fred and Merry and Pippin (JUST KIDDING!) etc. Sam
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I know I'm kinda repeating others here, but. . .
See, there's this nice thing called archetypes. Example: Dumbledore is fits the wise old mentor/wizard archetype, as does Gandalf. This type of character shows up in a LOT of stories and myths from all around the world. (Obi-wan Kenobi in Star Wars, for example). So although Dumbledore is very similiar to Gandalf, J.K. did not copy him...he fits a sort of...formula, if you will, for the wise old mentor-person. Although she might have got the idea from Hobbit, (which I kind of doubt) Tolkien's Gandalf is not entirely originial either, as has been pointed out. As for the Nazgul and the Dementors, they also have their archetype--the evil scary bad guys. Although they are indeed very similiar, I don't think it's a rip-off of Tolkien's writing--it's just a kind of figure that shows up in multiple stories/myths. Y'know, the evil scary ghosts. Yeah, I know I'm going on and on and not saying anything useful. Oh well, I'll go now. But first...I like the Harry Potter books. THey're fun. THey're not exactly the best writing, and there are definitely flaws, but it's not all bad!
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Very perceptive, Samwise. you always manage to hit the nail on the head. That's the objection that a lot of people have to the ethics in Harry Potter. But I have to agree with Eruviel: they're fun to read. Rowling is a good storyteller. Nowhere in Tolkien's league, however. I'm reading his Letters. Did you know Strider was originally named Trotter? I think that's hilarious. And Fredegar was Hamilcar. |
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This may be biased as an EXTREME fan of HP and was so before I ever read LOTR, but I will try my best. Basically, I agree that Tolkien influenced a TON of modern fantasy. The Gandalf archetype is seen absolutely everywhere (Disney's version of The Sword in the Stone comes to mind...). While I do agree that there is similarities between the two, that is hardly surprising. Both use a story of unlikely heros, good vs. evil and testing of character. The Dementers may look like the Nazgul, but there are big differences. Dementers were "born" that way and have the ability to suck one's soul through their mouth. That's not very Nazgully. You could go on with all the similarities, but I believe the only thing Rowling really borrowed from Tolkien was the standard he set when he wrote the novels long before her birth.
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