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11-15-2004, 01:00 PM | #21 | ||||||
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Thanks, Eärniel! Good summary -
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The mountain was also "petulant" - that last little bit of snow dumped as the fellowship left. Quote:
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11-30-2004, 04:35 PM | #22 |
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1. I believe 'Elrond' set Gimli in the fellowship simply because each race seemed to have it's own strengths and weaknesses. Having to surpass a multitude of obsticles along the way its only natural to think that the group would need expertise in travelling any road.
2. The fact that after they escaped the mines the 'power' had dissipated was pressumably do to poor communication, if indeed this power came from Sarumon or Sauron at all. They may have used up power with the first weather change? Or possibly they beleived the company would be killed by the Wargs, Gate keeper, or orcs/trolls/balrog in Moria. 3. I saw the 'Gate Keeper' creature as being draw to the power of the ring as he went for Frodo first. I don't think he was litteraly "under the control.." of any being, but was probobly placed there with evil intent. 4. I beleive it mentions many times there-after that Gollum had "picked up their trail in the mines of Moria." So that's what I am led to beleive. |
12-12-2004, 05:14 PM | #23 |
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if you pass the doors of Moria: beware!
These were the words spoken by Aragorn to Gandalf before the wolf attack. It also says that Aragorn had passed throught Moria before. Maybe he knew what Durin's Bane was, maybe this was a warning to Gandalf that if he assed through Moria he would meet one of equal strenght to him.
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01-09-2005, 06:20 AM | #24 |
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I asked this question four or five years ago, but nobody could help me: does anybody know if there is some kind of map of Moria?
I mean, has anybody drawn a map of Moria following the description that Tolkien wrote? Elanor the Fair was posting some nice maps that I hadn't seen before (like the map of the Prancing Pony), so I was wondering if perhaps there would be also one of Moria. If not... somebody should draw it
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01-09-2005, 03:39 PM | #25 |
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A map of Moria... now that's an interesting notion, although I would deem it quite impossible to make. For one the information in LoTR is only of the corridors, staircases and floors the Fellowship tracked through. The rest of Moria is pretty much undefined. And you'd have to make a map of each level, and Moria has a lot of levels IMO. Still... it'd be interesting to attempt one.
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01-09-2005, 06:41 PM | #26 |
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i think most of the levels were fairly similar to one another, though, apart from level 1 of old moria of course
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01-14-2005, 02:11 PM | #27 | |
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As for the watcher in the water, and perhaps the cranky spirit of the mountain, I suspect that the Balrog had some control or influence over them. You do not spend spend centuries in close proximity to an awake Balrog without it gaing some sort of effect over you.
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09-19-2005, 11:24 PM | #28 |
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About the Watcher...I think that it was partly the Balrog, and partly the ring. After all, it chose to grab Frodo, the ringbearer.
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