why gandalf? - Page 2

entss89 · 08-25-2002, 02:17 PM

ok if gandalfs staff had no power well then why ,in the two towers, did king theoden want gandalfs staff to be taken away from him? I know gandalf would not hit him with it ( POW)!

Sween · 08-25-2002, 02:20 PM

the staff itself did not have any power. Think of it as an electrical socket it does not have any power of its own but it does provide power. The staff kinda just focuses the power of gandalf but the actual staff is pretty irrelevent he could do just as well with any object possiably.

BeardofPants · 08-25-2002, 05:17 PM

Enough with the ill-thought out questions.

The association of the istari with their staffs would have been enough to put the fear of slugs into Theodan. Like he'd know the exact usage of the damned thing.

entss89 · 08-28-2002, 06:48 PM

I think the reason sauraman took away Gandalf staff is because it is powerful!

entss89 · 10-05-2002, 08:36 AM

now i know for sure that a staff repesents some short of power because i just read the chapter where sauraman gets his staff tooken away and that i think repusents that he got his power taken away well not his power but his authority!

Millane · 10-05-2002, 10:28 AM

i always thought that an istaris staff was not there power but a symbol and a way of , i cant think of a word but maybe exerting or enforcing that power... example in the hobbit when the company set up camp for the night in that cave and the Goblins jump them and Gandalf reacted quickly and killed 2 with a flash of light from his staff.
as for Gandalf getting his staff back after losing it too gandalf i know it wasnt a mistake and that is definitaly a different staff apparently the end of the staff is different... i wouldnt have a clue where he got his staff back from... where did he go when he was rescued from orthanc to rivendell? i dont think that an Istari's staff would be that hard to make i think that it is the Wizard himself that is most of the hardwork to do the extraordinary things....

entss89 · 10-05-2002, 10:37 AM

good point milline but why was sauraman so weak with out his staff? it sould not affect him supposedly right? the staff has to mean more then just a walking stick!

Millane · 10-05-2002, 11:40 AM

this is no more than a guess but it seems likely i dont think that he was so weak i think that the power was still there which he proved with his near takeover of the shire i think he just didnt have any way to actually convey that power... he was by no means weak but he was just weaker than gandalf who by that stage had taken over as head of the order...
this is in no way a fact just a mere guess.

viggosbeard · 10-09-2002, 09:45 AM

i cant check this up as im in work ( and working damn hard ! ) but doesnt gandalf say something about " for a while i was sent out to wander blah blah blah...naked i was sent back..." anyway he goes to lothlorien where he is clothed in white.... was he given a new staff there ?, if anyone has access then maybe they can check ?I think it im[potant to remeber that the staff was only a "symbol" of a wizards power - the Istari , unlike Souron , could only use what power they learnyt whilst in ME, they could not use their true powers .

Millane · 10-10-2002, 06:04 AM

ViggosBeard i think you are talking about after gandalf fights the Balrog we're talking about after he gets it taken off him by Saruman in Orthanc

viggosbeard · 10-10-2002, 06:06 AM

oops !

Misty Mountain Goat · 10-10-2002, 07:08 AM

There are a few flaws in the movie but i think there will allways be an excuse so i wouldnt worry about them. unless if u include things like sam's hobbit foot falling off when he gets in the boat with Frodo etc. I also agree with Millane Gandalf is that powerful that he could use a twig just about.

Wayfarer · 10-10-2002, 04:36 PM

He does use pinecones and a log from the fire... and as gandalf the white he shoots fire from his hand.

The Last Ranger · 10-17-2002, 09:47 PM

i agree with the thery that Gandalf did not really need his staff, after all he had a ring of power and was backed by Illuvator.

Millane · 10-17-2002, 10:38 PM

Quote:

He does use pinecones and a log from the fire... and as gandalf the white he shoots fire from his hand.

Wayferer i beg your pardon but what does that have anything to do with the subject apart from gandalf being in it...?

Linarryl · 10-19-2002, 01:16 PM

I think it was just a big mistake. Saruman wasn't saposed to take Gandalf's staff anyways. But Gandalf could'nt go on without his staff!(do I sound a little confusing?)

Millane · 10-19-2002, 10:05 PM

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I think it was just a big mistake.

no i am positive it wasnt a mistake... cant remember where i read it but there is something somewhere about his staff being different... the one he got taken off him had a bit for his pipe and the one after had a little nook for the light in moria. and something about the ends were different... ones little twig things at the end went up while the others went to the side
still bit hazy though... my friend has borrowed my copy so i cant go check
while were on the subject of gandalfs staff how awesome is his new one for TTT

08-25-2002, 02:17 PM	#21
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	ok! ok if gandalfs staff had no power well then why ,in the two towers, did king theoden want gandalfs staff to be taken away from him? I know gandalf would not hit him with it ( POW)!

08-25-2002, 02:20 PM	#22
Sween im quite stupid Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cockermouth Posts: 2,058	the staff itself did not have any power. Think of it as an electrical socket it does not have any power of its own but it does provide power. The staff kinda just focuses the power of gandalf but the actual staff is pretty irrelevent he could do just as well with any object possiably. __________________ Yeah god hes ok but i would rather be judged by a sheep than that idiot

08-25-2002, 05:17 PM	#23
BeardofPants the Shrike Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA <3 Posts: 10,647	Enough with the ill-thought out questions. The association of the istari with their staffs would have been enough to put the fear of slugs into Theodan. Like he'd know the exact usage of the damned thing. __________________ "Binary solo! 0000001! 00000011! 0000001! 00000011!" ~ The Humans are Dead, Flight of the Conchords

08-28-2002, 06:48 PM	#24
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	hi I think the reason sauraman took away Gandalf staff is because it is powerful!

10-05-2002, 08:36 AM	#25
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	i think i got it now i know for sure that a staff repesents some short of power because i just read the chapter where sauraman gets his staff tooken away and that i think repusents that he got his power taken away well not his power but his authority!

10-05-2002, 10:28 AM	#26
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	i always thought that an istaris staff was not there power but a symbol and a way of , i cant think of a word but maybe exerting or enforcing that power... example in the hobbit when the company set up camp for the night in that cave and the Goblins jump them and Gandalf reacted quickly and killed 2 with a flash of light from his staff. as for Gandalf getting his staff back after losing it too gandalf i know it wasnt a mistake and that is definitaly a different staff apparently the end of the staff is different... i wouldnt have a clue where he got his staff back from... where did he go when he was rescued from orthanc to rivendell? i dont think that an Istari's staff would be that hard to make i think that it is the Wizard himself that is most of the hardwork to do the extraordinary things....

10-05-2002, 10:37 AM	#27
entss89 lord of the ents Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: nc Posts: 539	good point milline but why was sauraman so weak with out his staff? it sould not affect him supposedly right? the staff has to mean more then just a walking stick!

10-05-2002, 11:40 AM	#28
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	this is no more than a guess but it seems likely i dont think that he was so weak i think that the power was still there which he proved with his near takeover of the shire i think he just didnt have any way to actually convey that power... he was by no means weak but he was just weaker than gandalf who by that stage had taken over as head of the order... this is in no way a fact just a mere guess.

10-09-2002, 09:45 AM	#29
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	i cant check this up as im in work ( and working damn hard ! ) but doesnt gandalf say something about " for a while i was sent out to wander blah blah blah...naked i was sent back..." anyway he goes to lothlorien where he is clothed in white.... was he given a new staff there ?, if anyone has access then maybe they can check ?I think it im[potant to remeber that the staff was only a "symbol" of a wizards power - the Istari , unlike Souron , could only use what power they learnyt whilst in ME, they could not use their true powers . __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

10-10-2002, 06:04 AM	#30
Millane The Dude Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: at the altar of my ego Posts: 1,685	ViggosBeard i think you are talking about after gandalf fights the Balrog we're talking about after he gets it taken off him by Saruman in Orthanc

10-10-2002, 06:06 AM	#31
viggosbeard Elven Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: the banks of the Royal Blue Mersey Posts: 247	oops ! __________________ You cant resist her Shes in your bones Shes in your marrow And your ride home You cant avoid her Shes in the air In between molecules Of Oxygen and Carbon Dioxide Only in dreams

10-10-2002, 07:08 AM	#32
Misty Mountain Goat Hobbit Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Victoria, Australia Posts: 19	There are a few flaws in the movie but i think there will allways be an excuse so i wouldnt worry about them. unless if u include things like sam's hobbit foot falling off when he gets in the boat with Frodo etc. I also agree with Millane Gandalf is that powerful that he could use a twig just about. Last edited by Misty Mountain Goat : 10-10-2002 at 07:13 AM.

10-10-2002, 04:36 PM	#33
Wayfarer The Insufferable Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 3,333	He does use pinecones and a log from the fire... and as gandalf the white he shoots fire from his hand. __________________ Disgraced he may be, yet is not dethroned, and keeps the rags of lordship once he owned

10-17-2002, 09:47 PM	#34
The Last Ranger Sapling Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 10	gandalf's staff i agree with the thery that Gandalf did not really need his staff, after all he had a ring of power and was backed by Illuvator.

10-19-2002, 01:16 PM	#36
Linarryl Elven Warrior Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 160	I think it was just a big mistake. Saruman wasn't saposed to take Gandalf's staff anyways. But Gandalf could'nt go on without his staff!(do I sound a little confusing?)

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