03-10-2007, 01:13 AM | #21 |
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For various reasons, I only have time to read the original document Merry produced. And by doing so I am appalled at how much this resembles an authoritarian (as someone put it) measure.
However, I don't agree with homeschool either, for despite my contempt for the majority of the "people" who go to my school, I see no advantage of being taught by people who do not have teaching credentials nor perhaps a neutral opinion. As you know Merry, I consider myself Christian, but at the same time I hold certain secular beliefs (Big Bang theory, though that was recently adopted as "okay" by the Roman Catholic Church, Evolution, etc.) as true. I do not think that someone should be taught with bias. I think there should be a more equal weight of either side. Christianity is faith, science is science, and should kept separate, but taught in equal amounts of both so an individual can draw their own conclusions. I don't particularly agree with the practice because even the most unbiased people are still biased. On the other hand, seeing the horrors that I have to deal with in a public school, I can't help but to agree with the reasons for which many homeschool their children. As most who know me in person notice right off, I'm aloof, unmoved, and unnafected by anything even horrifyingly insulting to other people. I'm a philosophical tank. But others, as it is made quite obvious by someone I know who cries if she gets a 99% on a test or someone calls her something as a mild, friendly joke. (And, ironically, calls people all sorts of things in return.) I will read both posted since the original post in due time. I'll probably download them to my palm pilot.
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Thank you Telcontarion for that article about homeschoolers. It made me feel very smart.
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Certainly it is not an arrestable offense. Frankly this should not even be a debate. There is no way anyone can say that a parent should be arrested because they choose to have there children learn from home. That is madness.
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And, most importantly, you will have to go through some bad situations, from bullies to less-than-ideal instructors, that will prepare you dramatically for the real world. People rarely have trouble dealing with success. It is dealing with failure that presents the real challenge. One of the biggest things you have to learn in the first eighteen years of your life is how to survive without your parents. Better to start at the age of five than at the age of eighteen.
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And, as far as school goes, it's for their own good. Are you saying we should let kids have the choice to not be educated at all?
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03-10-2007, 05:02 PM | #28 |
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Brown jenkins,
your assumptions on this topic are not informed. I'm surprised at you.
The way you're phrasing this, "parents always looking over your shoulder" isn't reflective of homeschooling, as it's practiced in the US today. Most modern homeschoolers aren't setting up desks in the spare room, in Little House on the Prairie garb. A lot are just the "general contractors" on their kids' education, hiring professional teachers, or forming co-ops, and a lot also teach using real world example. Are you aware, for example, that private schools (especially prestige prep schools and boarding schools) don't hire "certified" teachers? They hire able teachers. That's a different issue, entirely. The literacy rate in this country was higher before compulsory education was initiated. That's because people understood that education was GOOD FOR THEM. They wanted it. It helped them get more of what they wanted. And I believe people are naturally curious, certainly small children are. Why would you suppose that their curiosity and drive to learn would naturally terminate at age 5? Yet that's the age at which they must get on a big yellow bus or they will choose not to be educated at all? What's the basis for that conclusion? |
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Maybe this should be merged with the Homeschool thread?
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Being homeschooled has allowed me to have my first job as an apprentice to my music teacher because my schedule is so much more flexible. And I also don't have 4 hours of icky homework.
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03-10-2007, 08:12 PM | #31 |
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Maybe ot,
although the merits of homeschooling seems to be the topic.
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Piano, recorder, and music appreciation (composer stories).
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03-10-2007, 08:51 PM | #33 |
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I was probably OT. I so often am.
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I went to a private school for 9 years and am currently homeschooling. From my experiences, I have seen that many of the Christian (I am a Christian, but not overly so by any means) homeschoolers are not properly educating their children, and I know several of them that did not know how to read until the ninth grade and didn't know how to write till halfway through that year. Others are still in second grade English and first grade math when tehy are supposed to be juniors in college. So I see the reasoning behind the law. I think that both sides went to an extreme. The Germans should not have stormed the house with 15 officers and taken her to a physciatrist S/P? camp or wherever, but the parents of Melissa should have been more reasonable under the circumstances, and instead of disregarding the law, should have sought advice from the authorities on their situation. Maybe that was not the easiest choice, but it was the right one.
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I was at a private Academy, and it was not a religious school. Don'y assume private schools are perfect. There are reasons why I left that I do not care to describe here, but the just was the edu. went downhill because they changed headmasters and the workload was insane. I had to stay up until 2 every morning, along with all my friends, to make straight A's. The people I know from other places never wven take their text-books home.
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I've managed to read through some of (what seems to be) an official court report of this girl's case. And as far as I can tell (German's not my favourite language, German legalese is even worse) Melissa was at one point sent abroad (and be homeschooled with friends or family in Australia) and her parents were less than forthcoming with the information about her whereabouts and the manner of schooling she was receiving. I take it the state -who seems to be required to check on students once they drop out of public schools before 16 years- and who wanted to speak to Melissa herself, was less than pleased with that. Her parents apparently also didn't inform the state when she finally did return.
(My reading got a bit blurred here. It looks like the state found out she was back in the country only through a recent photo in a local newspaper on which Melissa was shown with her family. The report seemed to suggest they suspected the parents of having lied about Melissa's whereabouts.) Having read that, I understand a bit more of why the state removed Melissa from her family. They may have thought it too likely that her parents would have sent Melissa back abroad where no state or social worker would be able to check on her.
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