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08-12-2004, 06:21 AM | #21 |
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Here is a map of Bree itself.....
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08-12-2004, 06:23 AM | #22 |
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And finally.....
A map of the Prancing Pony...
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08-12-2004, 06:31 AM | #23 |
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Thank you very much Elanor. Those maps are ideed very useful
I have edited them to center the pics in the posts. Hope you don't mind
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Well, thank goodness that's out of the way.... and I only had to edit my posts twice to get the link to work!!
Now for some discussion points. Firstly, thank you for the introduction, Fat Middle, and for your discussion questions. Regarding first opinions of the Rangers.... Well, a long time has passed since my first reading of the Fellowship, but I never had the impression that Rangers were sinister. I don't think their name conjures up threatening figures. We get the impression that Rangers are sort of "woodsmen". Wild, perhaps, but not necessarily dangerous, at least to those who do not cross them!! As to the urge that Frodo feels to put on the ring. I always thought it had something to do with the Nazgul being present somewhere in Bree. And I've always liked this line... Quote:
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08-12-2004, 02:35 PM | #30 |
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Perhaps knowing their could be the threat of Nazgul he thought it best for it not to be displayed openly.
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08-13-2004, 04:34 AM | #32 |
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Yet knowing the threat of the Nazgûl was near it could only take a slip for the Ring to be openly displayed and I'm sure that that is what the Ring would have made happen. For the southerener was a spy of teh Black Riders that had been intercepted by the Nazgûl.
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08-13-2004, 09:39 AM | #35 |
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I think he wears on a chain around his neck some of the time eg. in Lorien and sometimes in his pocke eg. Tom Bombadils house and Bree.
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08-13-2004, 12:27 PM | #37 |
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No I think they either mad or got him a new one in Rivendell but I think he'd had one before.
What I've never understood is how the elves got the Ring onto the new chain with out touching it which they wouldn't wanted to have to do because of it's powers. You didn't have posses it to want, I mean Smeagol only saw it once before killing Deagol for it's possesion. |
08-13-2004, 07:54 PM | #38 | |
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Don't want to wander off on a completely different tangent, but I distinctly remember the tone of Bree from when I first read LotR when I was very young. The first few chapters in the shire were barely different from The Hobbit in terms of depth and darkness, but once in Bree the book shifted completely. At this point the tale shook off the robes of a children's book that it had been wearing and dropped out of the land of fairy tale into the land of nightmare. There had been clues that Tolkien was moving in this direction earlier, most notably in Fog on the Barrow-downs; but then there had been a brightly coloured hero to save the day. I believe Tolkien realised at this point that the story had changed irreconcilably. To shake himself out of the safety of the fantasy world of the Shire and the Hobbits which he had created he threw in the indifference and malice of the real world he saw around him. That meant the Big People had to appear. Bree was a mix of hobbits and men because the chapter was a mix in Tolkien's mind of the children's story and the adults' story. Hobbits were not meant to live in such a world, at least not when Tolkien first began to write LotR, but the change in direction of the book forced the change for them. In 'Concerning Hobbits' Tolkien tells us that '...they were, as a rule, shy of the Big Folk'. I do not believe that Tolkien had conceived of Bree when he first set pen to paper. I would love to go on at length but I need to make another 499 posts to get to Elf-lord, so I will leave that particular rant there.... |
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08-13-2004, 09:52 PM | #39 |
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Nice first post! Welcome to Entmoot, Sharkey.
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08-14-2004, 02:39 AM | #40 |
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Hi Sharkey, welcome! I agree on what you say, LotR was first meant to become a sequel to The Hobbit, but during the (looong) process of writing the more serious stuff from the old legendarium forced itself into the story.
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