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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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I know the Rings were Fire, Sky, and Water, but I thought the Silmarils were, too. Are they Earth, Sky, and Water?
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Although the Silmarils were not of the elements of earth as the Three Rings, Celebrimber I think was hoping to rival the creation of the Silmarils with the Rings, but I think he was trying to create a way to ward off the effects of time and that was the more important reason for their creation.
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Yeah, I knew they weren't the Silmaril of Fire, etc. I meant where they ended up.
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hmmm. I wonder if the Three Rings could have been percieved as, somehow, a return of the Silmarils. They were both:
Very interesting. And, whoever it was who said it: Galadriel wiser than Erenion Gil-Galad? I don't think so. ![]()
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Ok, when the rings were first made they were given to Galadriel, Gil-galad, and Cirdan, the dude that appears in the last chapter of LOTR.
Gil-galad gave Elrond his ring, and Cirdan gave Gandalf his. So Gandalf has an elven ring. I thought it was kinda weird when I first read the book too, but I never thought much about it cause I was too busy getting confused over everything else. ![]()
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I never noticed that Beleg!
![]() The rings are similar to the silmarils. They didn't get stolen by Sauron though.
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I don't think the Rings could really be the Silmarils returned. First off, isn't the star Earendil the light of the Silmaril in the Sky? Yet I believe it continues to shine brightly. And also, the Silmarils would not be affected by the One Ring; they were hallowed by Varda herself, Queen of the Valar, whereas the Ring was forged by Sauron, one of the Maiar.
Of course, I could be wrong, just stating my opinion. ![]()
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Oh, did you? Sorry, didn't see that.
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I didn't mean that the Rings were literally Silmarils. I meant that they were intended to be similar.
Has anyone else noticed: Tolkien liked odd numbers, but not 5. Why not 5?
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I know you didn't mean that the Rings were Silmarils, but there were sililarities. 3 Elven Rings, crafted by the Noldor of the House of Feanor. The Rings were of the elements of earth, and the Silmarils ended up there. They were both stolen by a great dark power, etc...
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And don't forget that Fëanor had 7 sons and that Elrond had three children.
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Actually, the Rings were never stolen. Sauron never touched them; that is why they were not corrupted.
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