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There are people - such as Al Sharpton, like I said - who would rather keep black people at the bottom - because it keeps them with a job. As long as the left insist on making blacks out to be victims - blacks will always feel like victims. Affirmative action is an example of this. many blacks feel that Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice - are not black because they have succeeded- "they've sold out". I thought that was the whole idea of the American dream - to be the best you can be and raise yourself up. Concerning Indian alcolism - it is still a problem. But it's a problem because of genetics. Europeans have been drinking alcohol for 1000's of years - our bodies have evolved and are able to handle it better. I have a friend who is 100% Mohawk who lives on Six Nation Indian Reserve - she's considered a outcast and not a good Indian because she had lived off the reserve growing up and had gone to college and is now studying to be a nurse. She constantly has complained how the Indians on the reserve just want to get drunk and complain about their lives - but don't want to do anything to make their lives better. In colonial times in New Jersey it was actually against the law to sell or give Indians alcohol, punishable by jail time, because Indians couldn't handle alcohol. Indian activists, similar to th Al Sharptons in the black community - would rather keep their "own" people down and as victims. Indian activists would rather complain about mascots and things - instead of building schools, businesses and commerce on the reserves. It is funny how these activists never complain about the Red Faced gas station on Six Nations with it's huge sign of a face of an Indian - which looks very similar to the mascot of the Cleveland Indians (which was actually named in honor of one of their best ball players). I also like how they point out there are no white mascots similar to the Chiefs or Indians - when there are , such as the Patriots, Vikings, Kings, etc. What's the difference between the Kings and the Chiefs? Is it because the Indian activists want continue to make Indians feel like the victims? Trish also thinks that this whole mascot thing is ridiculous. Her grandfather was also chief of Six Nations Indian reserve - which is one of the largest reservations in North America.
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But... since thats not the case and since my comment was simply about teaching kids about what happend to the indians not about giving them money or something lets just talk about THAT not about mascots or anything else.
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Also = have you ever been to an Indian reservation? I have - many many times and spent weeks there. I'm talking from experience and also the experiences of one of my best friends and her family, who is Mohawk and part of the Turtle Tribe. I've gone to the Six Nations Pow Wows. I've spent Easter there, I have spent summers there and I have been there in the middle of January and October. By the way - Six Nations doesn't have ANY casinos on the reserve. There is however a casino in Brantford and a casino on the Canadian side of Niagara Falls, but these are not Indian owned.
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A lot of people on the reservation would rather steal cars and drive them around and then set them on fire than get an education. The last time I was there for about 4 days - I saw 3 cars that happened to. Sorry - but that is ALSO what Trish and her family say too. There are hardworking Indians on the reserve - with thriving businesses - but you have a distorted view.
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It is true that her grandfather had a hard school life. I've been to his old school - and in the early 1900's they were punished for speaking Mohawk or practicing their ceremonies. But sorry to disappoint you - but that isn't the case anymore. Quote:
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I have posted my background enough times on the moot and I am too tired to do it now.
But as a minority I tend to agree with Trish and Jeresy Devil. It is a multi-tiered problem; and it is one blacks can take care of themselves. Blacks keep themselves down these days not DA MAN or the system
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To tell you the truth I saw far more poverty when I was in West Virginia going to school than I have ever seen on the Indian Reserve (at least Six Nations). One of my close friends - she was from West Virginia and we went over her house. It was in a holler and I am sorry to say - it looked like a fort my father would have made me when I was little. It had an addition on it that was made out of various sized pieces of plywood, the carpet looked like it had been found at a dump or on the side of the road. But that is where she lived and all of us were in shock, but we had a good time. Trish's grandfather's house didn't have runnign water. He actually DIDN'T want it. The reserve was going to put it in for free because he had been chief - everyone else had running water - but he didn't want it. So when I used to go up there - we used to use an outhouse, was our hair from water from the well and just sponge bath. Every couple of days we'd go over Trish's cousins to take a shower. After Trish moved in with her grandfather - she finally convinced him to let them put in the running water.
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The psychology "suicide rate" I would be a tad leery of. They are incarerated. It would not breed a joyous feeling. Also, it does not compared THAT rate with non natives. I am not saying it is not true just that depression would SEEM to be high for anyone in that situation. So it may not be soley a native problem.
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wow we have quite a debate going on here! Let me get my 2 cents in really quick ok? lol
I have never been to a reservation. My little sisters were told that there werent any reservations left. So thats an example of what the text books and government would like the children to believe. Someone said that we were taught about the Trail of Tears. Let me know when thats going to happen. Everything I learned about it I had to do so from the few books they had about it. And even then it was only a couple of sentences. I personally dont think race has anything to do with whether or not people are driven to make their lives better. I think if a person is raised with the idea that they cant do anything to better their lives, and there is no hope in the world they will believe it. Race doesnt come into it. Its all a mentality. I read an article that said they had two groups of Asian women. One group was told that because they're women they wont be able to pass the math test they were given. The other was told that because they are Asian they will be able to pass the math test. Guess which group passed the test? I know the Cherokee nation here works very hard to get their people in jobs to pay for their families. You should see how much they get paid. Quote:
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