10-28-2005, 12:28 PM | #21 |
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sorry, cut open my finger...not able to type much...here goes...
Looking at Iraq, thats not what we see, "giving up weapons of mass destruction". Where *are* they? The only weapons they had, that they used against us, were the ones United States, France, and a few other countries gave them, musterd gas and the like. Now, I consider those damaging enough, I've seen what they can do. But we also see what kinda mess there is over there now. I.E. really radical, really armed militias governing parts of the country, the elections, thats nice and dandy. But tat gov't isnt going to have much control out side of Baghdad. Its going to be like Kharzai, whom we fondly call the "Governer of Khabul", as soon as you go outside the city limits, you go right back to the warlords and clan rule. All I have to do is peak over the border and I can see that starting to happen. Will continue this later, have to go get damn stitches.
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10-28-2005, 01:22 PM | #22 | |
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this is exactly what we are trying to do with other nuclear-armed countries who are not exactly allies obviously some of iran's leadership's possible goals are completely out of the question (i.e. a muslim-dominated world)... but that is not necessarily the case with all of them... all leaders want security for their countries foremost, and as gaffer pointed out, history says that the only protection from US invasion for those leaders is possessing nuclear weapons
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10-28-2005, 02:21 PM | #23 | |
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Originally Posted by Lief Erikson
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We haven't threatened their security in the past nor do we do it now save to preserve our own.
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10-28-2005, 02:45 PM | #26 |
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IRANS ATTITUDE TOWARDS AMERICA, ISRAEL & WORLD OPINION
Iran Leader Joins in Anti-Israel Protests
October 28, 2005 12:52 PM EDT TEHRAN, Iran - Iran's hard-line president marched in the streets of Tehran on Friday alongside tens of thousands of people supporting his call for the destruction of Israel - remarks that have been condemned around the world. The rally was one of several state-organized anti-Israel demonstrations across the country that drew more than a million Iranians. World leaders have condemned Wednesday's remarks by President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who repeated the words of the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, leader of the Islamic revolution, by saying: "Israel must be wiped off the map." As he marched alongside demonstrators in downtown Tehran, Ahmadinejad renewed his criticism of the West, saying: "They become upset when they hear any voice of truth-seeking." "They think they are the absolute rulers of the world," he added. Many marching with him held placards reading, "Death to Israel, death to America," |
10-28-2005, 03:27 PM | #27 | |
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In the words of the Iraqi president, "God willing, with the force of God behind it, we shall soon experience a world without the United States and Zionism."
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Are these declarations a defense? An endeavor to strengthen Iran's security? The president's words about the US and Israel were based strongly upon a foundation of religion. I have not seen him quoted as saying, "we shall defend ourselves if the US attacks!" Rather, "God willing, the US will cease to exist!" While President Bush called Iran part of an "axis of evil," he never has called for Iran's destruction. Rather, he left the door open for negotiation, and he has been seeking since the beginning of his presidency to resolve the disputes with Iran and North Korea through negotiation and economic incentive.
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10-28-2005, 03:36 PM | #28 |
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Indeed, IMO, this isn't the time to sing "kumbi yah".
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10-28-2005, 05:31 PM | #30 |
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What do you all think about Israel's demands that Iran be removed from the UN over its remarks? It's of course understandable that Israel should demand this, but do you think they are in the right? Should Iran be banned from the UN?
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10-28-2005, 08:46 PM | #31 | |
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I said neither nor implied either. What road there is was not and is not posted.
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10-28-2005, 09:10 PM | #33 | |
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Ok but deliberate, consistent misquoting or misstating can only be interpreted in that direction. A direct question is simple and unambiguous. and I have already replied aboveWhat road there is was not and is not posted.
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Guys, stop fighting now please. More pissy little arguments will lead to your rights to post in this thread being removed.
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Also, I wonder what the views of the Entmoot community are regarding Israel's claims that Iran should be expelled from the UN. Do you agree with Israel? Disagree?
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10-29-2005, 03:19 AM | #37 |
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Unfortunately Iran has a huge, well trained army-admittedly better than Iraq. It also already has nuclear facilities and has had them for some time. The original estimates have fallen by the way side as we learned more about what they've kept from the world.
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BTW, communication doesn't have to to through the UN. In fact some of the best examples are things done outside of it's corrupt sphere of influence.
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