Tater and Catholics...

[Finmandos]

Religion isn't always institutionalized. There are plenty of people who just mix different elements of different religions together and make up their own.

[jerseydevil]

Originally posted by Finmandos
Religion isn't always institutionalized. There are plenty of people who just mix different elements of different religions together and make up their own.

Then it's not technically a religion. Then clubs can be a religion. The Boy Scouts and Girls Scouts adhere to a certain set of beliefs - but they're not religions.

[Finmandos]

Then clubs can be a religion. The Boy Scouts and Girls Scouts adhere to a certain set of beliefs - but they're not religions.

Well, if the Boy Scout's beliefs were the guiding principle in someone's life and they didn't believe in a mainline faith, that could be their religion. However, Jews can be Boy Scouts. Buddhists can be Boy Scouts. Christians can be Boy Scouts. But, someone cannot be a Muslim and a Buddhist, or a Hindu and a Christian at the same time. I guess religions have to be exclusive of each other, even if some of their beliefs are similar.

(I haven't had a good stimulating philosophical debate in a while!)

[noldo]

And even if different things are taken from different religions, and then mixed up? Should that be exclusive? To what?

[jerseydevil]

Everyone picks and chooses from their religion. Anyone that says they absolutely, under all circumstances, believe what their religion says is delusional. Roman Catholism in New Jersey is completely different than Roman Catholism in Indiana - from people's attitudes, what is acceptable, what rules are "bendable", etc.

(I haven't had a good stimulating philosophical debate in a while!)

Afro-Elf usually seems to start the phylosophical debates around here.

[BeardofPants]

Looks like JD's already refuted for me. Ah well... here's both definitions anyway....

re·li·gion Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.

1.
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

i·de·ol·o·gy Pronunciation Key (d-l-j, d-)
n. pl. i·de·ol·o·gies

1. The body of ideas reflecting the social needs and aspirations of an individual, group, class, or culture.
2. A set of doctrines or beliefs that form the basis of a political, economic, or other system.

That sounds completely different to me...



BTW, Welcome to the 'Moot, Finmandos!

[emplynx]

Originally posted by jerseydevil
It amazed me in Indiana when Lutherans would argue that Jesus didn't really turn water into wine like it says in the Bible it was really grape juice. Of course they say this because they don't really approve of drinking.

I admit it was wrong for them to argue the bible like that, but Biblical wine was very similar to our grape juice. It had a very, very low alcohol content and could be consumed easily with out giving any alcohol affects.

I agree with Finmandos about Boy Scouts (being a Boy Scout myself). There are five "moral codes" in Boy Scouts that are enough to make it a religion:

BSA Motto: Be Prepared
BSA Slogan: Do a Good Turn Daily!
BSA Oath: On my honor, I will do my best
To do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law;
To help other people at all times;
To keep myself physically strong, mentally awake and morally straight.
BSA Law: A Scout is:
Trustworthy,
Loyal,
Helpful,
Friendly,
Courteous,
Kind,
Obedient,
Cheerful,
Thrifty,
Brave,
Clean,
and Reverent.
Outdoor Code: As an American, I will do my best to -
Be clean in my outdoor manners
Be careful with fire
Be considerate in the outdoors, and
Be conservation minded.

So really I could be a religion if you wanted it to. Most of those things are based on Christianity though, it is the "religion" Boy Scouts.

[BeardofPants]

Originally posted by emplynx
I admit it was wrong for them to argue the bible like that, but Biblical wine was very similar to our grape juice. It had a very, very low alcohol content and could be consumed easily with out giving any alcohol affects.

Sorry, I have to know: what is your source for this?

I agree with Finmandos about Boy Scouts (being a Boy Scout myself). There are five "moral codes" in Boy Scouts that are enough to make it a religion:

And again, this is a code of honour of sorts, and doesn't necessarily fit in with...

re·li·gion Pronunciation Key (r-ljn)
n.

1.
1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
2. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
3. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
4. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

[Darth Tater]

Ok, how the hell did a thread about my issues with catholocism turn into THIS? PADLOCK!

[gdl96]

jersey devil...New Jersey is a very different state, mainly because of its increasingly rich diversity. That probably why things are so different. The area in New Jersey where I'm from has just about every ethnicity you can think of.