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08-15-2010, 09:39 AM | #1 | ||
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Far less sense than 'sending' Arwen Undomiel alone? if so I can't agree. I can't recall for certain, but I don't think Jackson even bothered to really explain -- internally in the films I mean -- why Elrond's beloved daughter turns up in the woods, or what actually happened that led to her presence here. Jackson fans have tried by attempting to draw comparisons to Luthien, but again, general comparisons of character do not substitute for actual storyline in any case. Tolkien's tale of Beren and Luthien is a specific story with its own particular circumstances and motives... and simply pointing to Luthien's helping of Beren in a wholly different context and set of circumstances does not automatically serve to explain Jackson's Arwen substitution -- not serve well enough for me anyway. Quote:
The non-Tolkien audience is going to see 'Elf from Elf realm' here, and the Tolkien audience would have to accept that although an internal detail has been altered for arguable cinematic reasons (but not wholly certainly 'necessary' cinematic reasons, it might be said), at least the scene from the book can be followed fairly closely, and a character is introduced who will be part of the rest of the tale. Last edited by Galin : 08-15-2010 at 10:30 AM. |
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08-16-2010, 09:48 AM | #2 |
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I assume for the same reason as in the book- as Glorfindel says, he sends out those few who can ride openly against the Black Riders- and since Tolkien says:
"In all such things not concerned with the bringing forth of children, the neri and nissi (that is, the men and women) of the Eldar are equal...there was less difference in strength and speed between elven-men and elven-women that had not borne child than is seen among mortals." Arwen is a princess of one of the most distinguished houses of the Eldar, granddaughter of Celeborn and Galadriel on her mother's side, and of Earendil and Elwing on her father's side; by Tolkien's own words she'd be nearly as good as her brothers; she would by any measure be one of the most powerful searchers Elrond could send out- plus she knew all the concealments and protections Elrond had set around Rivendell.
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08-16-2010, 02:31 PM | #3 | ||
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'Indeed in dire straights or desperate defence, the nissi fought valiantly, and there was less difference in strength and speed...' So to my mind the information is that Elven women are stronger that mortals might think (with mortals comparing the strength of Men to Women), and thus could fight well, say, when a realm was being invaded and they had no choice. Yet Elrond should have had plenty of warriors to send out before risking his daughter alone here. Incidentally, just as an aside, according to Tolkien Arwen was not an Elf, not one of the nissi technically, but one of the half-elven who had abandoned her Elvish rights -- see Letters. Quote:
We never read of Arwen riding with her brothers slaying orcs or out scouting, and after Arwen and Aragorn plighted their troth, and Aragorn 'went forth again to danger and toil' we also read that 'Arwen remained in Rivendell, and when Aragorn was abroad, from afar she watched over him in thought' (Appendix A) Again, Jackson's stated 'problem' concerned introductions in any event, and this could have been solved with Legolas -- but speaking of martial prowess, the filmmakers went overboard (in my opinion) with respect to inventing 'impossible' battle stunts for Legolas. Last edited by Galin : 08-16-2010 at 03:33 PM. |
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