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03-29-2007, 12:49 PM | #21 | |
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03-29-2007, 12:59 PM | #22 | |
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03-29-2007, 01:26 PM | #23 | |
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It's borderline unnatural that all characters in Arda are heterosexual. I swear there are homosexual guys in that world as well, no matter what Tolkien says. He would be really weird if he seriously thought a whole planet would exclusively consist of heterosexuals. Possible characters are Maedhros, Caranthir, Gil-galad, Angrod, Aegnor, Frodo, Boromir... just to state some examples. It's pretty interesting how those Elves survived for thousands of years without having sex and getting children even ONCE. Last edited by Peter_20 : 03-29-2007 at 01:32 PM. |
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03-29-2007, 01:31 PM | #24 | |
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It isn't in the books, zippo. In the movies you can read some stuff into the elves etc...filmmakers version.
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03-29-2007, 01:33 PM | #25 | |
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Objectively though, it would not have entered Tolkien's mind to expand so far into his world that he had to make people gay or straight or in-between.
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03-29-2007, 01:35 PM | #26 | |
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Seems a very limited way to enjoy fiction, if you ask me. Just because characters can be different doesn't mean they have to be.
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03-29-2007, 01:45 PM | #27 |
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This whole thread is a riot.
People gotta chill.
I think it's even funnier that no one ever has a head cold. Most of us, sad to say, spend more time sneezing than having sex, whatever our preferences. Yet, Bilbo's birthday at the Long Lake is the ONLY real snotfest in all those centuries. I can only assume Tolkien had a deep religious objection to catarrh. Like Jesus, it's perfectly possible those elves had families, and it just didn't seem relevant to to the story to mention it. And I CANNOT believe, Butterbeer, that you don't see the clear endorsement of sustainable living in every DETAIL of the 100 Acre Wood lifestyle. If it isn't a full on indictment of suburban consumerism, right down to the reused "Sanders" sign, I'll, well, I'll eat my soyink copy of "Wind in The Willows", noted British metaphor of Imperialism. |
03-29-2007, 01:48 PM | #28 | |
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03-29-2007, 01:55 PM | #29 | |
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03-29-2007, 02:02 PM | #30 | |
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03-29-2007, 02:10 PM | #31 |
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Well, you know those Europeans. They're all a bit gay, really.
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03-29-2007, 02:12 PM | #32 |
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Hector, honey.
If you didn't know Sir Ian was gay, you wouldn't think his Gandalf was. Honestly.
There have been "gay" portrayals" of a lot of characters. There have been camp elements. There have been gay actors playing heterosexuals, and there have been straight actors playing gay characters. And ther have been completely over the top flamers. But Gandalf wasn't one of them. I've seen Sir Ian be swish, and he didn't do that. Makes me sad that you're letting this upset you. |
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03-29-2007, 02:31 PM | #34 |
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Honey.
Sir Ian is a great actor.
If he wanted Gandalf to be so hot that he made Cassanova give up girls, I seriously doubt Peter Jackson could have stopped him. That man has milage. But he didn't. So why not take it as "He's messing with you, because he knew he had an international forum to yank your chain about gay stuff, and he has a long history of doing so." He's just being a brat. Trust me. Takes one to know one. |
03-29-2007, 02:36 PM | #35 |
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He is a good actor, hardly great though...
You think he's pulling legs with his admitting on the LotR commentary?
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03-29-2007, 02:55 PM | #36 |
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Did you read any
of the Grey and White book diaries?
He's not closeted, at all, and he has his POV. So I think, if he wanted to say, "Hey, today I made sure buggery was a subtext." he'd have said it. I just don't think it's there. (you sweet talker, you. *bats eyes*) |
03-29-2007, 03:53 PM | #37 |
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I know he's not closeted, and he sure wasn't closeted about admitting that he meddled with Sam/Frodo ideas...
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03-29-2007, 04:16 PM | #38 |
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I'll have to look again.
I saw all those features, and I don't recall being struck with an 'Egad! ', but perhaps I was inattentive.
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03-29-2007, 04:19 PM | #39 |
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Undoubtedly
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03-29-2007, 06:19 PM | #40 | |
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Trying a 21st Century, and thus revisionist, take, in modern day context, on both the author and on the time in which it was written and before that in part concieved ... in terms of both the story in historical and social let alone moralisitic terms into one or two generations after it was written seems entirely nonsenisical. To me, Peter 20, had the question been posed in a less 'black and white' manner and with more subletly it may have engendered more of a debate... But to my mind, you might as well ask why the 'dark age' Norwegians didn't write in classical Greek ? Last edited by Butterbeer : 03-29-2007 at 06:23 PM. Reason: MARROWS! |
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