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Have I told you lately... that you should read Morgoth's Ring nomatter what HoMe books you read or don't read?
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11-14-2003, 01:51 PM | #25 |
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Well, I havent read through the BOLT 2 yet, but I'd say read BOLT 1, and head through the HOME first (or the books youve got again), just because its going good for me that way
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11-14-2003, 02:14 PM | #26 |
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BoLT 2! Will only say: The fall of Gondolin.
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11-14-2003, 03:22 PM | #27 |
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Question about one of the book's from HoME that was mentioned. "Morgoth's Ring", did I miss something here? Why is it called Morgoth's Ring? Is there another ring that was out there or are they somehow interluding that Sauron's Ring was in a technical sense Morgoth's Ring because Sauron was his Minion...
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11-14-2003, 03:25 PM | #28 |
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Maybe they're all gonna make us read the book...
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11-14-2003, 03:26 PM | #29 |
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Morgoth's Ring is Arda. His evil was put into it at creation. I don't remember all the details, but it is explained in the book, but it comes down to is his Ring is Arda.
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11-14-2003, 04:42 PM | #31 |
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It is called his "ring" because he put the great part of his innate strength into it just as Sauron put his innate strength into the One Ring.
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11-14-2003, 07:56 PM | #32 |
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Yep, it says that "Arda is Morgoth's Ring."
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11-14-2003, 10:20 PM | #33 |
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So now we don't gotta read it?
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11-15-2003, 05:25 AM | #34 |
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The most beloved parts of Morgoth's Ring is the Athrabeth, the Laws & Customs of the Eldar, and Myths transformed. That's why you have to read it.
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11-15-2003, 05:34 AM | #35 |
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BTW, I started my HoME readings with the pieces I just mentioned, and then read The Shibboleth in HoME 12, and then HoME 3: The Lays of Beleriand, and continued to read the books in more or less arbitrary order, and just recently BolT 1 and 2. I regret it! I should have started with BoLT first, the old mythology. It is not only very beautifully written, but it is very interesting to see the development of the mythology.
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I think you should reconsider your decission. Letters would be my advice. It's a book that not only gives you information about the works but also about the author and the meaning of the books.
Besides, it's easier to be read than the HOME series.
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11-15-2003, 11:52 AM | #37 |
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THE BoLT is really good, it is really amazing to see such great work take form, adn I definitely recomend it (even though I am still plunging through it), as both a great book, and a learning experience, if you feel like writing something yourself one day.
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11-15-2003, 06:16 PM | #38 |
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I would say, read HoME from first to last if you care how it was created. I, frankly, don't, and care only about ME as it was when he wrote LotR. So I read whatever interests me.
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11-17-2003, 08:27 PM | #39 |
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Another question.
Do any books in the HoME series discuss the other wars going on during the War of the Ring, such as those in Mirkwood and in the North with King Dain and King Brand? I noticed that one of the HoME books is title The War of the Ring, but I am not sure if that stuff is included in it... If this isn't included in any HoME series books, anyone know where it is recorded, besides the very little in the LotR Appendices...
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11-17-2003, 09:02 PM | #40 |
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Hmm, The War of the Ring and Sauron Defeated both touch on those matters, as does "The Hunt for the Ring" in Unfinished Tales. Nowhere do I remember a comprhensive account.
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