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09-12-2003, 02:43 PM | #21 | ||
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From The War of the Jewels: Tale of Years Quote:
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“What does the term american refers to” asked the boy, and the wise man answered: “Lets look at the dictionary then.” As an adjective American is: 1. Of or relating to the United States of America or its people, language, or culture. 2. Of or relating to North or South America, the West Indies, or the Western Hemisphere. As a noun American is: A native or inhabitant of America. A citizen of the United States. Then the boy asked, “What is America then?”, and the wise man looked at the dictionary again: 1. The United States. 2. also the A·mer·i·cas. The landmasses and islands of North America, Central America, and South America. Confused, the boy asked, “Does the term american refers solely to a us citizen or to any person in North, Central or South America?” The wise man replied: “What do you think?”, and the boy answered: “It is clear to me that while the term american is used to refers to us citizens, one can also use it to refer to any person who is from that continent too,” the boy thought for a while and asked the wise man, “Am I right?”, and he replied: “But of course.” The boy wondered, why is it that some people refuse to acknowledge the fact that the term american refers not only to US citizens but to anyone of the American continent?, but then sadly, the boy understood, that it is the calamity of ignorance. |
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09-12-2003, 04:46 PM | #22 |
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I have a love-hate relationship with CJRT.
On the one hand, I loathe the repeatedly stupid ways in which he put together contradictiory materials in his publishing of the silmarillion. On the other hand, I really like the fact that he is reasonable enough to admit his own mistakes. Even if most fans won't. ]:p
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09-12-2003, 05:22 PM | #23 | |
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"Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
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09-12-2003, 05:30 PM | #24 |
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This is the type of thing that sends me running scared back to "The Hobbit"!
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09-14-2003, 06:48 AM | #25 |
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Congrats azalea!
I've always liked your ability for analysis, but this time you have surpassed your own standards. That was a wonderful introduction to the chapter.
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09-14-2003, 08:41 PM | #26 |
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I think this was symbolic of the spiritual superiority of those who had recently left Aman. Don't forget that the Hosts that the Noldor met were comparatively undeveloped Orcs, which they drove before them like cattle. Too, they were armored with the "Armour of the Elder Days" that Elrond mentions, and the "Swords of the Noldor," made with Aule's help.
As for Fëanor, I think that militarily he overreached himself, when he should have regrouped and hit the Balrogs with a concentrated attack, instead of going one-on-one with Gothmog. Of course, no one had ever seen a Balrog before. I believe Fëanor is still in the Halls of Mandos because the fea cannot leave until they accept Mandos' correction of their faults, and who can see Fëanor doing that?
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09-15-2003, 10:07 PM | #27 | |
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09-16-2003, 07:22 AM | #28 | ||
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But that changed last year, after the SEE-DVD of FOTR was out. Now I try to see HoME as a kind of Special Edition, with early storysboards, scenes that have been cut... Back to topic: Quote:
If you look at the Sil as one book, it's a final line: He stays in the Halls of Mandos! I prefer the second question, which has the simple answer, we don't know what happend after the 4th age. Anithing is possible. And I think, if the Valar let Melkor lose, after his punishment, why should they punish Feanor for ever. Unless he don't want to.
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09-16-2003, 09:57 AM | #29 | |
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"Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
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09-16-2003, 05:29 PM | #30 | ||
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Finarwë *********************** A! Elbereth Gilthoniel! silivren penna m?*riel o menel aglar elenath, Gilthoniel, A! Elbereth! |
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09-16-2003, 05:57 PM | #31 |
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*/whines that nobody ever listens to him.
As I said above, part of the elven legend regarding the Dagor Dagorad (the last battle, Armageddon) is that afterwards feanor shall be reincarnated, and will with his own hands break the Silmarils so that the two trees may be restored.
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09-16-2003, 05:57 PM | #32 |
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Neep. Double post.
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09-16-2003, 06:02 PM | #33 | |
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"Whither go you?" she said. "North away." he said: "to the swords, and the siege, and the walls of defence - that yet for a while in Beleriand rivers may run clean, leaves spring, and birds build their nests, ere Night comes." AboutNewJersey.com - New Jersey Travel and Tourism Guide |
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09-16-2003, 06:10 PM | #34 |
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Sure, delete it. :P
And my point was that, since the elves held that tale to be true, they obviously didn't conceive of feanor as being locked up for eternity.
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09-18-2003, 10:06 AM | #35 |
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Don't you think it was more a hope that Fëanor would be healed and that he would see the error of his ways in refusing Yavanna's previous request that he allow the destruction of the Silmarils to restore the Two Trees? It is said to be a legend, not a prophesy.
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09-19-2003, 03:02 AM | #36 | ||
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