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My comment about finrod and elendil is that gil- and elendil bested sauron and but gil wasn't calaquendi and fin was giving him a better shot a surviving
the idea of sauron being more powerful has be taken been up before Does the end of the 1st age after the war of wrath when he was defeated. does it mean innate power. does it mean land area controlled does it mean influence Quote:
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it says in the SIL that morgoth's might was the GREATEST OF ALL THINGS IN THE WORLD at least at that time
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Great post you linked to.
you are the scribe of the moot
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i havent even begun to personally attack other mooters. and im not going to be worried about it when people act assanine to me ..im not being nice? ha..whaever..
i apologize if i offended anyone..hows that for nice?
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When you compare morgoth and sauron, you've got to realize that sauron spent the second age consolidating and centralizing his power, while morgoth spent the first age spreading his out through beleriand.
So sauron could bring overwhelming force to bear on a small area, while morgoth had power over a great distance, but couldn't bring as much to bear as quickly. And I've always had the idea that he made pretty quick work of Gil galad and Elendil, but got distracted and Isildur cut off his ring. I think that sauron would have absolutely crushed finrod at the end of the second age. As Blackheart once said 'In the second age, he was only barely defeated by the combined forces of the greatest kings of men and elves. In the first age he lost to a girl and a dog."
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i apologized and if you think it insincere, be that as it may. And im not saying anyone is inferior to me
once againm i apolgize to her. i am sorry, i truly am, but dont freakin lecture me dude. if two apolgies isnt good enuff for you, then i dont really care.
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I could lecture you about the word "dude", but I won't Oops, too late. No apology at all is good enough for me, I'm just nagging.
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In his defense, he did qualify his statement, but I conveniently left that part out.
But I've always wondered whenter Huan was actually a maia... he was one of orome's hunting dogs, was he not? Also, it doesn't seem to fit with the other animals brought from valinor. Shadofax was supposedly descended from orome's horse... and the kine of araw were likewise descended from orome's hunting stock. on the other hand, huan was somewhat unique among animals.
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from reading the sil, gathered that sauron slew both gil galad and elendil, then fell down. then isuldur saw the ring and cut it from saurons hand while sauron was down.
as far as morgoth was concerned, at the time he fought fingolfin "his might was still greatest of all things in this world". what fingolfin did was the most valiant in me, but he was still no match for the power of a valar. and imho there were no mair that would stand a chance against morgoth. it took a host of men, elves, dwarves and valar to defeat him. even dimenished, sauron was a most formidible foe for any, be it men or elf. i know i am the minority here, but i feel i must "represent" for my dark homeys.
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You link was right on about Melkor in a way I hadn't thought about. He had great power in the "magical" sense (creation of dragons, rending the land, bending the will of opponents), but strictly in combat he was not the greatest warrior of the Valar. Fingolfin might have had a decent chance in other circumstance. Grond hammering away at him on the enemies "home turf" limited his attack. How would Melkor have fared on neutral ground? "It's just a flesh wound" "You foot's off!"
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Hey, you're right. Good points!
("I cut your leg off!", "No, you didn't", "Yes, I did! Look!", ... "I've had worse", "Liar")
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morgoth was scared he would get his arse kicked fingolfin i cant say the same thing..he was doing it becuz he could see the fall of the Noldor and didnt seem very "scared"..at all
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