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I agree, knowing your history is important. I think someone is entitled to their opinion about the USA (or any other country they don't live in), as long as they have based their opinion on knowledge of that country, and they acknowledge they don't live there. Obviously non-Americans won't have first-hand experience of the issues, but that does not make their opinion invalid.
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I'll tell you what concerns me - the practically weekly vandalism that occurs to mainly jewish cemetaries, some catholic and muslim cemetaries get attacked - but the most racist things are directed at jews and written on the jewish headstones and the most damage occurs at the Jewish Cemetaries. That to me is more of a concern. Brownjenkins - I do see the forest through the trees. I analyse a lot, I look at a bunch of different news sources, and based on my own analysis I come up with which side I agree with.
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IR and JD,
Did either of you read the article from The Daily Mail 11-5-04 that I provided the link for? If so, your comments? Also, check my recent post in GLB thread for the TRUE MEANING of the states' constitutional amendments on world opinion! This apect could be discussed here more fully, I think.
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But I think its MORE to do with a much more straight forward psychological aspect of human nature. That is during perceived times of attack from the outside you always circle your wagons and rally around your leader. And the perception always is that he is a better leader then he would otherwise be judged out without the same challenging circumstances. Do you remember how Bush was floundering popularity wise on Sept. 10 of 2001? Finally, I think people tend to vote with their pocket book in mind. And unless you are in a bad economy or a worsening one you will NEVER see people going in large numbers against an incumbent for that reason alone. The economy may have been stagnant or mildly improving but it wasn’t bad enough to have people jump ship on Bush. And those that have money (even middle class people) are gonna vote to the benefit of their pocket book and they see the conservatives as the obvious choice on that. Quote:
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Ink - I looked at your comments regarding morality in the Gay and lesbian thread. I can see some validity in them. I mean so many people are arguing about how WE have to change as a society ot prevent terrorism and what role we play in fundamentalist terrorism. Well one of bin Ladin's biggest complaints is the decadence of American culture. He preaches that we're a godless society and infidels. Democrats seem to thinik we should only change the things we do that they disagree with - they don't look at how bin Ladin views our society though and how he has demanded that we change that too. I personally think that we should not listen to any of bin Ladin's demands at all.
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By the way IR - many Europeans I have talked to support the ban (not just the French) saying that it's part of the seperation of church and state. I disagree with it - as I said in the "headscarf ban" thread.
Radagast stated the general European feeling that I had found... Quote:
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whats that got to do with anything? many americans support the ban on gay marriage. Im adamantly against it. To me it doesnt matter what popular opinion says. to me it always comes down to right or wrong. thats why i commend those early pioneers who fought for justice and equality against enormous dissension.
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Thirteen! What happened to the other 12 victims? Or can 1 stick handle more than one Mooter?
Woah, another two-word (x3) post from R*an! What's the world coming too!
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