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08-10-2002, 08:39 PM | #21 | |
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Drat! Does this mean I can't come out at the end of the year?
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08-10-2002, 08:46 PM | #22 | |
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We have tightened the visa process and everything else. Before people could supposedly just mail in their visa apps and basically just get them approved. Now (at least with Middle Eastern countries) a person has to go in person and supply a bunch of id. We need to do more of that. Maybe we should require ALL vistors to have background checks before entering the US.
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08-10-2002, 09:06 PM | #23 | |
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08-10-2002, 09:18 PM | #24 | |
I am Freddie/UNDERCOVER/ Founder of The Great Continent of Entmoot
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Some of the victims families insist that the Twin Towers should have stood and they want answers as to why they collapsed. They collapsed because two huge planes (that didn't exist at the time the TTs were built) loaded with jet fuel crashed into the middle of them. They claim the sprinkler system should have been better built. I don't know any pipes that could withstand 1500+ degrees. Or what sprinkler system, even if it did remain intact, could put out a fire of that magnitude. We live in an unsafe world and there is no way to protect us from everything. We can not expect 100% safety. The best we can hope for is the minimize the risk as much as possible,
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08-11-2002, 03:54 AM | #25 | |
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08-11-2002, 06:45 AM | #26 |
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The problem with terrorism is there is no cure. Should you not let anyone in the US because they are from the middle east? Of course you should not. Should you be stringent and check their background? yes of course. Will this stop people getting though the net? No never there is allways a way round the system.
Did the perpetrators of 9/11 have files no they appeared to be simple people going about there business. Terrorism is one of those things you can stop really.If i wanted to kill a lot of people it would not be hard at all i would have to do is find a gun or make a bomb (which is very easy). My friend little sister went to dumblane they know how easy it is to inflict huge suffering. Back to Iraq Sadam may be mad infact is he mad i dont know. Hes a B****** allright and hes evils yes hes evil but with most dictators are they mad? Was Hitler mad? Sadam is loving this whole US problem because what every good evil dictators need is a enemy and who better than the strongest nation in the world. Hes just playing with the US im sure he would not want open conflict as he knows he would not win but hes more than happy to pi** you off every once in a while. Should something be done? its a difficult one the US has a bad rep round there and i would hate to think that the Arabic countries would see Sadam as a marter much like im sure a lot of people see Bin Lardin thats the last thing they want. Should the US remove a potential threat (even though personally i think he does not want a war just wants to flex his power occasionally) should the american people feel threatned? no you should not there may be a threat but its a minute little one and could easily be carried out by somone in your country as someone in the name of sadam. Would sadam openly encourage terrorism? no he knows what the conquences would be and hes more than happy playing dictator. George Bush Jr has show hes worrior leader (hes been in the air force hasnt he?) and his mentality is see a problem take it out. Our leader Tony Blair is not the same hes a lawyer by trade (not a very good one though) and i would not fancy him as a leader if we were in a war. Ive a feeling Bush will take action as its his nature.
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08-13-2002, 12:59 PM | #27 | |
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It doesn't matter so much if Bush personally wants a war or not - if he doesn't get Congress or the American people to back him - he's not going to do anything. The President of the United States actually has limited Powers. His own cabinet has to be approved by congress. We do have a series of checks and balances that generally prevents one person from having supreme power and doing irrational things. I am still on the undecided column of the Iraq thing. I do think we need to take him out and I know that if something happens wear Iraq does support a major terrorist attack or something - people will be screaming "Why wasn't something done before this?". It'll be just like it was after 9/11 - everyone second guessing - even though there was absolutely no support to go after Al Qaeda or terrorist groups - especially if American military lives were put in danger.
I do agree that there is no cure for terrorism. It is impossible to please everyone in the world and there will always be the fantatics of any group. There are fanatics in chirstian religions who blow up abortion clinics, there are fanatics in the environmental movement and anti-globalization movements. Fanatics will always go to any lenght to get what they want - regardless of whether they are hurting or killing others. No matter what the US does in the Middle East - there will always be people and groups that hate us or hate the west in general. Also - if anyone thinks that the people in the Middle East have only a problem with the US - you're seriously mistaken. We're just the largest target because we're the most visible. The US just represents the "West" and the immoral values in their eyes. I don't care about being called an infidel, I may be atheist - but I'm not blowing innocent people up. If they think killing is the way to get 72 virgins then I really feel sorry for them. This was on World News Tonight last night - Quote:
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08-13-2002, 03:04 PM | #28 | ||
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If Saddam had nothing to hide, then he would have no problems letting the inspectors back in. Clearly, he is building (or has already built) chemical, biological, and nuclear weapons. Analysts say he is only a few years away from being able to use nuclear weapons. Don't underestimate him - these weapons, even in small quantities, can cause massive damage.
Why give him the time to create these weapons? I'm sure he'd love to lay low until his weapons of mass destruction are ready. I am a little wary of attacking him, though - Bush has made it very clear that this time, the end result would be Saddam's removal from power. Since Saddam knows that his demise is imminent, wouldn't he be likely to use everything in his arsenal against us to go out in a blaze of glory? I fear he would have no incentive to exercise restraint and merely fight back with conventional weapons, since he has nothing to lose. Quote:
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08-13-2002, 04:41 PM | #29 | ||
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I love how the MP from Britain came back from visiting Hussein and said that he was courteous and very believable in his sincerity. I believe the same was said about Hitler before he set his war machine in motion. By that time it was too late to stop him. Hussein is just biding his time, once he has his weapons ready, I believe he will make an attack. Maybe not directly - maybe just by supplying terrorist with biological and chemical weapons. Maybe he will plan an all out attack on Israel - an attack that may be supported by other Middle Eastern countries - if he has enough weapons of mass destruction.
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08-13-2002, 05:03 PM | #30 |
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The war was over twelve years ago. We didn't finish the job then. If terrorist cells are operating in Iraq and we had intelligence to verifiy it we would have no problem justifying miltary action, but no one has offered much. Maybe they are protecting intelligence sources, maybe it's just thin.
We wouldn't let the UN inspect our military facilities, so I can't say that is reason enough. As to an attack on Israel, the US is still allied with them so it would provoke the kind of retaliation that the threat of which has provoked their sudden change of disposition, at least publicly. If we can get by on just that, it would be best for us. It's most likely a delaying tactic. If they had the capability to deliver any weapons don't you think that would provoke the use of them? I would like to see the reaction to a poll that not only included possible casualties, but the $100 billion of so in cost, plus the fact that like Korea, we will be there forever. Our leaders shouldn't be afraid to share the intelligence with the voters since this is a democracy, right? They should make whatever arrangements to secure the sources and give us a specific set of goals other than killing Saddam. If that is the only goal, then it is foolish. There will be another dictator to take his place. I saw a clip that was supposedly Saddam taken from Iraqi TV. There were a half dozen guys that looked just like him. He could be dead and we'd never be sure.
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08-13-2002, 05:17 PM | #31 |
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Sadam is like the school bully. He just likes to play silly little games he love denying access to the UN inspectors for a couple of week letting it get all hot and anote people a bit then let them back.
My reading od the situation is Sadam is just playing a game and lovin every minute of it. It seem that they dont have much on sadam and the way that countries been watched if there was something major up they would know and would of taken action by now. If the US or any other nation saw a clear and present danger (good thats a good little saying) they would take swift and decisive action.
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I think also - part of the reason all the planning is taking long is to make sure everything is considered - including what happens to post-Hussein Iraq. Quote:
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08-13-2002, 07:34 PM | #33 | |
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I got my nightly NIghtline e-mail to tell me what is on tonight. This is what they're having tonight. So anyone interested in this subject I guess can watch it.
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