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Where did the idea of Eugenics come from? What ideas contributed to it? What is it really?
The term eugenics is derived from the Greek eugenes, meaning 'well born'. It is also where we get the name Eugene and the words gene and genetics. The idea of eugenics was introduced in 1883 by Sir Francis Galton. Galton may have intended for eugenics to have a broader scope but it has come to concern primarly the research and programs intended to improve man's genetic constitution. Many eugenics theories are the same kind of theories used in the breeding of plants and animals. Shaky ground is broached when societal control is attempted over human reproduction. Modern Eugenics has two major areas of interest. The first area is the extension of the present knowledge of the modes of inheritance and the desirability of human characteristics. The second is the generation of schema intended to improve genetic qualities through what Galton termed "agencies under social control." No doubt eugenics was practiced long before Galton. In primitive cultures, infants with deformities or peculiarities were either killed or neglected and allowed to die. Eugenics ideas are found in the writings of Plato who advocated death for the feeble, the diseased and those who were otherwise considered inferior. Plato advocated temporary laisons with men and women who were considered superior breeding stock to produce superior children. Galton was an English scientist whos main concern was the increasing of human intelligence. To him eugenics was a means to that end. He formed the Eugenics Society in Great Britain in 1908 and in 1926 a sister organization the American Eugenics Society was founded. In its early history the ideas of the Eugenics was at odds with Social Darwinists. At first the Social Darwinists believed that natual selection was the only way that human populations could improve. But slowly, people with Social Darwinist ideas began to crop up in the Eugenics movement. The movement was also plagued by racist tendencies in the early 20th century. Some races were thought superior to others. They believed 'pure racial stocks' needed to be maintained. Modern eugenicists have now discarded these ideas. In practice eugenic goals are reached by not allowing certain persons to have children. In some countries this entailes sterilization or forced abortion. In a nutshell Eugenics is man trying to control the genetic makeup of the human population. It is fraught with pitfalls. To make the system work, sombody's human rights gets trodden under foot.
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Sir Galton ain't going on my list of 1001 knights, thats for sure... (at least, I won't suggest him...somebody else can).
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Haha. I liked the Yoda impression there.
I'm intrigued by Eugenics. I think the motivation behind it is good, productive, and noble. I'm all for evolution, and if there's a way we can accelerate it, I'm all for it, as long as it's ethical. Obviously nothing can justify the killing of disabled or ugly people or denying them the right to reproduce. That's just dumb.
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The problem is that all governing systems tend to be able to be corrupted, eventually... So for me, I say go back to the old barter system, where we trade our skills, goods and services. Then like Bob Marley said, "No more war." The yoda impression was lovely.
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Well I'm a socialist and I too would give his cobblers a dusting with my Doc Marten-clad size 9s given half a chance. As well as left-right you also have to think about the liberal-authoritarian axis. Oh, plus how there has never been a truly socialist state at any point in human history (yet). |
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That's impossible. As one writer puts it (and the article link can be found in the abortion thread): "Things were going nicely for the eugenicists until Hitler gave eugenics a bad name by being so good at it."
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Ok, Nurv, give me your absolute best definition of Socialism...
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And according to a Touchstone article I just read, 1925 schools taught eugenics.*
(*If you wonder about the date 1925, it's because the article was about the Scopes Trial)
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You are right, Plato did advocate a sort of eugenics in the Republic. I have the feeling he wasn't sure it would work, though, as he made provisions for switching around gold, silver, etc. children, if a bronze turned out to be gold material, or a gold unworthy. But yeah, the Republic is where you really see some of the flaws in his philosophy.
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You do realise you were the one who said "no politician can break the system", don't you?
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BTW, I just checked, and what I said was No pol can break the system, ALL THE WAY. You see, there is a difference.
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Alcibiades and Hitler pretty well broke the system. There was another Athenian statesman who ended up as essentially the master of Athens, though I don't remember his name...he was more benevolent, though.
Pericles, maybe? I think so.
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He was, but he may have been a bit misguided. Also, he basically ran Athens as a monarch, despite the fact that it was ostensibly a democracy.
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