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*plunges straight into Off-Topic*
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From the dogmatic definition of the Council of Chalcedon: "following the holy fathers, we all with one accord teach men to acknowledge one and the same Son, our Lord Jesus Christ, at once complete in Godhead and complete in manhood, truly God and truly man..." If Jesus was "complete in manhood," then it seems to follow that His DNA would be 100% human. Science could, theoretically, verify the humanity of Jesus, but that's as far as it goes. You couldn't analyze a drop of Jesus' blood for God-DNA. There is nothing material or physical about God, so there is no ground upon which scientific analysis of that kind of faith-claim could be built. You can't verify God. The reason for this, in my view, is that the miracle of Christianity is not one that changes the world in measurable ways, but it is one that works with it. The Incarnation did not bring about any measurable or physical changes, but changed the ordering of creation to God. Quote:
As regards his denial of evolution elsewhere, I don't recall if he considered it an attack directly*upon Christianity; to find out would require digging out the Letters, wherever they may be.
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06-27-2010, 02:32 AM | #22 | |
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Eliath, not an original source, but from the Tolkien Society's bio page:
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It's the old Omphalos question rearing up again.
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06-27-2010, 02:22 PM | #24 |
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To keep this on-topic, I'll just add that Tokien hated irons-
"In the Old Days, the First-Born wandered freely, without worrying whether their pants or their shirts were pressed, but then a Darkness entered Arda, and confusion clouded their minds- all began to question Those without Creases, and Morgoth opened a chain of laundries offering permanent-press, to thwart the will of Eru that clothes should drape freely" Tolkien, Unstarted Tales, Vol 333, Chapter 226.
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06-27-2010, 09:10 PM | #25 | |
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06-28-2010, 01:55 PM | #26 | |
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06-28-2010, 02:38 PM | #27 |
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Wow... soooooo I was just catching up on threads from the last few days, and seriously you guys... .
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06-29-2010, 05:14 AM | #28 |
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Yep, sorry about that- an overly heavy-handed attempt at humour posted as a result of staying up too late watching the World Cup (4:30 a.m. local time)
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