03-16-2004, 03:29 PM | #21 |
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Yes Val, and I *would* chose it to be my favourite story, wouldn't I?
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The Nirnaeth perhaps...most of the chapters involving Túrin are sad. And then there's the Fall of Gondolin in BoLT.
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03-17-2004, 05:07 AM | #24 |
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The saddest part of the LOTR is when Frodo sails across the sea. That paragraph is the most beautiful and moving in the LOTR.
The saddest part of the Silmarillion is when Turin falls onto his sword. Oh, and when Feanor dies.
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03-18-2004, 05:43 PM | #25 |
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definetly when gandalf dies...or doesn't die...whatever... but i was also mad then cuz he was one of my favs.
oh, and when thorin dies at the end of the hobbit; i didn't realize how much i liked him until he croaked. and when sam says "i'm back" i must have gone through a whole box of tissues then
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03-18-2004, 05:57 PM | #26 |
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i agree on the Turin parts...
the fate of feanor always saddened me too... losing his mother and father in a place where the elves must have thought death was next to impossible, then ultimately defeated through his own grief and passions
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03-19-2004, 08:33 AM | #27 |
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The death of Theoden, easily, and Eomer's grief at the loss of such a great man... trying so hard to be strong, but crying nonetheless... Theoden IS one of my favourite characters for a reason...
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03-19-2004, 10:21 AM | #28 |
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The first time I read LOTR (about 30 years ago!!) I found the fall of Boromir to be very sad. I still do. I liked Boromir because he was more of a flawed person than others in the Fellowship, but he was also noble and kind. His corruption and redemption are sad and poignant moments and I always remember how I felt the first time I read it each time I've re-read it.
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03-19-2004, 01:52 PM | #29 |
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Saddest moment is the Battle of Un-numbred tears the final defeat of the eldar as we knew them the loss of so much life of the Eldar and the Edain yet even from that battle there is hope at the end as with all the loss in tolkiens works
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03-19-2004, 03:26 PM | #30 |
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In Tolkien, there are many sad situations that don't really count as one particular instance to me, such as the whole situation with Feanor (although the Kin-slaying was very sad ), or the one that BoP brought up -- Frodo unable to "go home" again. But in reference to specific scenes, these are it for me: Thorin's death (very powerful and sad scene to an 8 year old, and still is for me today!), the Grey Havens scene with Gandalf, Elrond, Bilbo and Frodo leaving ME, and from The Silm (for me) the deaths of Finrod and HUAN, the poor critter!
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03-19-2004, 09:21 PM | #31 |
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The saddest moment in Tolkien is, for me, the tale of Turin and Nienor. That is a beatifully tragic story.
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03-21-2004, 08:58 PM | #32 | |
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I have to agree with Fat Middle in that Húrin's return to Morwen was definitely the saddest moment in the legendarium and yet it is filled with hope. How could Morwen, after all that happened to her, retain the hope that someday her husband would return?
The slaying of Gothmog by Echtelion is sad too, but I would not put it in the same level. I would say that it was sadder to see Eärendil's reaction to his death. From the Book of Lost Tales II: The Fall of Gondolin Quote:
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03-22-2004, 11:13 AM | #34 |
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When Nienor realizes who Turin is and throws herself over the cliff.
The death of Finrod...of course... And that last scene with Morwen and Hurin... Also when Hurin goes to find Gondolin and gets no answer...
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03-22-2004, 08:18 PM | #35 |
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For saddest moments I would say the end places of the three main books, the death of Boromir, the supposed death of Frodo and the sailing of the ringbearers for LotR.
But out of all of Tolkien's works I would say the saddest moments are the fall of Gondolin, especially just after Glorfindel's death, and Beren's farewell song, before Luthien catches up when he's preparing to go on towards Angband alone. There are too many sad moments to choose from, I can think of about half a dozen more that I should include here but that would take too long so I'll stick with these five.
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03-22-2004, 10:25 PM | #36 |
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The tale of Turin had to be the saddest part of Tolkiens work for me. There is no greater tragedy in his literature that I have read.
The flight of the Noldor comes in a close second. The unconditional loyalty that Fingolfin shows toward his brother was truely moving.
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03-24-2004, 06:13 AM | #37 |
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Gotta be the fall of Gondolin.
The last bastion of the Eldar, in which the glory of Aman is preserved, being sold by Maeglin to the Morgoth himself, just goes to show one of Tolkien's principle ideas. Power corrupts.
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03-25-2004, 04:30 AM | #38 |
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The saddest part of the Turin story is when he comes upon Finduilas' mound. That really started his whole tragedy.
Also the battle at the Gates of Moria (Battle of Unnumbered Tears) was pretty sad. There was very little real hope for the Dwarves after that I thought.
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Sad? Well, when Hurin arrives after 28 years apart, just in time to hold Morwen's hand as she dies, and bury her next to their son and daughter!
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