05-12-2003, 02:20 PM | #21 | |
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Celeborn never died. He took ship and sailed into the West sometime in the 4th Age.
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05-12-2003, 02:30 PM | #22 | |
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Re: Re: Galadriel of course
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However, they have totally different powers. Elrond has the power of healing while Galadriel has her mind reading powers, her far sight and her calm. But I think Galadriel was more tempted by the Ring than Elrond. She saw the Ring's potential of making her a great queen and she would know how to weild the Ring if she got her hands on it. I don't think Elrond ever thought of what the Ring could do for him, he just wanted to get rid of it. He was present when Isildur took the Ring from Sauron, and Elronds only thought was to let Isildur destroy it in Mt. Doom.
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05-12-2003, 08:09 PM | #24 |
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I only remember four Noldorin Elves refered to as High King after coming to Middle Earth; Fingolfin first, then Fingon, Turgon and finally Erenion.
If this is indeed correct, then taking into consideration that most of these were descended from the house of Fingolfin, some direct lineage was present. And if going by direct lineage Elrond has closer ties through descendance to the house of Fingolfin than Galadriel does. Be that as it may, the line of Kingship was quite erratic anyway, sorta just skipping between different children of the same father and then ending in a cousin. Galadriel could claim descendance as being Gil-Galad's aunt or something, or only surviving member in Middle Earth of Fingolfin's brother's line. No other 1st generation children of Fingolfin were left in Middle Earth by that time.
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05-12-2003, 09:48 PM | #25 |
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According to the essay Ósanwe-kenta, 'Enquiry into the Communication of Thought' (published in VT 39), 'mind reading' (or 'telepathy') could be performed by anyone (with limitations) thus it was not something only Galadriel was capable of. Elrond, Galadriel, Celeborn and Gandalf all engage in this in the chapter Many Partings:
"If any wanderer had chanced to pass, little would he have seen or heard, and it would have seemed to him only that he saw grey figures, carved in stone, memorials of forgotten things now lost in unpeopled lands. For they did not move or speak with mouth, looking from mind to mind; and only their shining eyes stirred and kindled as their thoughts went to and fro." As to who would win in a fight, Elrond or Galadriel, how are they going to fight? With swords? If so Elrond was not just a loremaster and healer, but a great warrior as well. JRRT never states who is more powerful, whatever that means, though in Letter 246 he writes: "In the 'Mirror of Galadriel', 1381, it appears that Galadriel conceived of herself as capable of wielding the Ring and supplanting the Dark Lord. If so, so also were the other guardians of the Three, especially Elrond. But this is another matter. It was part of the essential deceit of the Ring to fill minds with imaginations of supreme power. But this the Great had well considered and had rejected, as is seen in Elrond's words at the Council." The statement that "especially Elrond" would be capable of weilding the Ring against Sauron is intriguing, to say the least. Why "especially Elrond"? Perhaps because, as celeb-galad mentioned, of his 'divine heritage', he was after all a scion of Melian the Maia, and hence essentially descended from the 'gods'.
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Well, Galadriel was (as far as i know) the Daughter of Finarfin, technically making her the Graddaughter of Finwe, the first high King (He was the first by the way) However because of the passing of the kingship through the house of Fingolfin and Elrond being a descendant of Fingolfin and he married into the house of Finarfin (through CelebrÃ*an) he would effectively have a better say to the Kingship. Though lets not forget Galadriel being Great granddaughter of Finwe.
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12-12-2007, 08:06 PM | #27 |
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An admitted aside but why is Gil-Galad's name hyphenated? And are there other examples of Elves with hyphenated names?
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12-13-2007, 10:31 PM | #28 | |
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I think it would be Elrond who would have the right to kingship not galadriel; even his sons would would have more claim and would be nexxt in line after him.
I believe I read in the silmarillion (could have been the LOTR-but I know I read it) that after the death of Gil-galad the bloddline of the high kings of not only the eldar were represented by his bloddline only, but the the three houses of men as well. So Elrond is the heir of the kings not Galadriel, she was never in line for kingship. When Elrond left, assuming his sons left with him, Eldarion held that title as well.
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